Can objective morality exist in Atheism?

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You said "God just is".

"Is" is a conjugation of the verb "be".

The definition of "be" is to exist.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=be

exist: have an existence, be extant;

In another post you said "I don't believe in God's existence, I believe in God".

Seriously, what does that mean?

You don't believe in God's existence, but he just "is" (exists).

It makes no sense.

Nice word juggling. We've been here before. 'be' doesn't apply. 'is' applies. To believe in gods existence would be to focus on that. I don't. My focus is on him, not the totally irrelevant matter of his potential and theoretical 'existence'. You say you were a Christian but had no rationality in that belief. you were crazy then. Plain and simple. You never understood what it was to believe?

I am genuinely interested. I can assure you that. If you mean genuinely interested and not skeptical then that's a different story. What is a God attribute? Can you explain it a bit more?

You want to understand something you have never encountered before? Without wanting to explore the territory? I'm skeptical. Nothing wrong with that.. it's healthy. Cutting off your nose to stop you smelling anything isn't the way to go about experiencing smell.

By 'God attribute' I was referring to the standard Christian amalgamation of attributes.

Did I commit a logical fallacy? Did I beg the question?

It seems you live logical fallacy.

What were these questions?

Legion

This is a realization leading to a leap of faith. It is contingent with an experience that leads you to a religious worldview.

This wasn't a realisation any more than an understanding of a rational position. There was never any 'experience' that lead me. My rational position reflected my thoughts. I could not help be what my rationalisation made me.

In the revelation of your own experience you (I apologize for by abrupt translation) realised what you were thinking was bullshit and changed belief to be what it always was in reality. Your rational position never altered from one of dismissal.

You're digressing from the topic a bit. I'm not saying anything about people making decisions for themselves or not. I'm asking you what experiences YOU HAVE HAD personally to affirm this belief in God. Specific examples por favor. I'm not asking you to speak for anyone else.

Nothing I have experienced affirms my belief in God. I am brutally critical of anything I experience and am very focussed on keeping it grounded. My belief is reliant upon constant application of faith. It's the journey that helps me learn what it is I'm doing.

Have some intellectual honesty, man.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/be

Look it up.

Main Entry: be
Pronunciation: \ˈbē\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): past 1st & 3d singular was \ˈwəz, ˈwäz\; 2d singular were \ˈwər\; plural were; past subjunctive were; past participle been \ˈbin, ˈben, chiefly British ˈbēn\; present participle be·ing \ˈbē(-i)ŋ\; present 1st singular am \əm, ˈam\; 2d singular are \ˈär, ər\; 3d singular is \ˈiz, əz\; plural are; present subjunctive be.

1 a : to equal in meaning : have the same connotation as : symbolize <God is love> <January is the first month> <let x be 10> b : to have identity with <the first person I met was my brother> c : to constitute the same class as d : to have a specified qualification or characterization <the leaves are green> e : to belong to the class of <the fish is a trout> —used regularly in senses 1a through 1e as the copula of simple predication
2 a : to have an objective existence : have reality or actuality : live <I think, therefore I am> b : to have, maintain, or occupy a place, situation, or position <the book is on the table> c : to remain unmolested, undisturbed, or uninterrupted —used only in infinitive form <let him be> d : to take place : occur <the concert was last night> e : to come or go <has already been and gone> <has never been to the circus> f archaic : belong, befall

I'm not juggling anything, I'm pointing out the definition of the words you're using. I suggest you choose your wording more carefully. I don't care what your focus is, I'm telling you that the way you interpret words and concepts is incorrect.

I was crazy when I was a Christian because I didn't believe or rationalize my belief? Is that your claim?

I also find it hilarious that you assume I don't know what it was to believe in God. The "real" Christian argument rears its self-righteous head once again. Yet you have never outlined what it was to be a true christian specifically and what your personal beliefs on the matter were.

Christian belief is not an unknown area for me. I'm not pioneering unproven ground here. I'm genuinely interested in what makes you believe, because I like understanding what make people tick and act in the particular way that they do.

Cutting off my nose isn't the same as abandoning superstition.You're comparing something objectively demonstrable with something inherently subjective and dubious. Science with pseudoscience.

God attributes in which he is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omnipresent? Something like that?

Nothing you experience affirms your faith, but you claimed to tests panning out every time in favor of God.

Your belief relies on faith to keep it going, and your faith is derived from a belief, which required a leap of faith to start it off. One giant circular reasoning snowball.


I'm realizing why no one else replies at length to your posts anymore. Your arguments hold no weight.