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"Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism
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RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism
(January 2, 2014 at 1:19 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:


What a wall of text!!! O.o

I didn't get to watch the video, but it reminds me of one of Dennett's words: deepity.
Your brother appears to say many deepities, but they all amount to air. Or, in the Game of Thrones wording, words are wind.
He talks too much while saying nothing. A standard tactic to get the other party to just give up....

I tend to be the sort of person who sums up every text into the bare minimum... making me a very un-verbose writer.
So, from all those things your brother wrote, I kept: abstract thinking leads to the existence of abstracts which lead to the existence of something beyond the natural... and the typical fine tuning argument -.-'
Wrong and wrong.

Humans have believed in deities for thousands of years. Way back then, the fine tuning argument wasn't available, so that's not a valid reason to start believing in them.... even if the argument was valid, which it isn't.
Humans didn't arrive at deities through the notion that their heads could think up abstract ideas, so that is also an invalid way of getting there.
Try again, bro! Tongue
How did mankind arrive at the "knowledge" that any god exists?
How did the ancient egyptians arrive at the "knowledge" that all their gods exist?
How did the classical greeks arrive at the "knowledge" that their pantheon exists?
How did the ancient assirians arrive at the "knowledge" of the existence of their pantheon?
How did the jews arrive at the "knowledge" of the existence of their god? (do note that this "knowledge" appeared quite some time after some of the previous peoples...)

How does this jive with the christian god?

Finally, the mere requirement of belief lends the notion of god no credence whatsoever.
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Messages In This Thread
"Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by Mudhammam - January 2, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by pocaracas - January 2, 2014 at 11:04 am
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by Mudhammam - January 2, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by pocaracas - January 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by Mudhammam - January 2, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by pocaracas - January 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by FreeTony - January 2, 2014 at 11:11 am
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by bennyboy - January 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by FreeTony - January 2, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by Mudhammam - January 2, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by FreeTony - January 2, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by Mudhammam - January 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by FreeTony - January 2, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: "Knockdown" Argument Against Naturalism - by Angrboda - January 2, 2014 at 10:42 pm

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