(December 17, 2013 at 4:07 pm)ThomM Wrote:This may be an older comment made some days ago, but I have to comment on the fallacy or should I say the impossibility for animals to evolve from one to another.(December 17, 2013 at 1:38 am)orangebox21 Wrote: I think the point has been lost. I am not currently proposing scientific evidence for creation I am proposing the evidence for evolution is not scientific.
And what are YOUR credentials in the science community - where did YOU study science - and in what PEER reviewed science journal did you publish your supporting work?
Sorry - but a theist is NOT a scientist - especially a deluded one.
THe problem is that it was the Catholic church that PROVED that evolution does exist.
It was a group of Catholic Monks in France - who - in order to save their grape crop - which was blighted - Crossed the root stock of disease resistant strains of grapes with the stems of the varieties of grapes they desired to produce a NEW plant - one not created by any god. And the seeds from the new plant would grow a resistant root crop of new grape plants too. This proved Natural Selection. The disease resistant strains survived and the others did not. And this was in the 1850's.
THe problem you have is that you forget what Evolution is - Darwin's book - now called the ORIGIN of the Species - had a much longer original title
"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."
There is NO question that Natural selection - the now called Survival of the Fittest - DOES indeed happen. In Darwins book - he proposed that there was some way that parents passed traits on to their offspring - in all life - and eventually the exitence of Dna - Rna -and genes proved he was correct in that as well. And these were discovered scientifically - without question.
You are proof it happens - you are a human - similar to - but not exactly like either of your parents - and have dominant traits of both of your parents. Dna research has gone so far as to render claims against evolution to be comical nonsense - and clearly show that animals have evolved.
Sorry - you are simply wrong.
(December 17, 2013 at 7:39 am)feeling Wrote: This book is written by god because it says in this book that it is written by god. Stop arguing and submit yourself right away.
Then god was a HUMAN - because every single word of the bible was written by Humans
THere is no alternative - no other species on earth writes in language!
So - it is YOU who have to submit!
Animals are like automobiles, in that, they only function as complete systems. Any parts that are removed for the function of the system and the car stops moving. All creatures are systematically constructed, not hap-hazzardly assembled from floating parts which are not compatible. A system has to operate with all of its parts in order to live. You do not see most animals with any extra unused parts. These items are already integrated to be a part of its whole system. Those extra pieces are designed to fit the animal to which they are attached.
Now don't just assume that since I take this stand, I don't believe in natural selection. By selective breeding we can produce all different types of dogs, tall ones, short ones, ones who climb on rocks... but they are still dogs. Genetically they can only mate with their own type.
Every animal has its exclusive DNA pattern which prevents it from mating with any but its own kind.
If animals could have come from one another, all animals should be able to crossbread, like that plant that had to be interfered with in order to produce different fruit.
A system (animal) has to have an opposite mate with which to reproduce. The chances that two opposite pairs ,that are required in almost all animals, negates the possibilty, that even with time, pair coupling could be possible by happen-chance.
The system approach to understanding creation should help you realize that none of the individual parts of a creature could be added over time without the animal being able to integrate it into it's body The system only works when all of the parts fuction togeather to give the animal its life.
I think that it is fantastic that an animal can adapt to its surroundings. Just goes to show that creation is not a dead thing, but something which gives an animal an advantage in a new environment. The animal does not know what it needs to survive somewhere else. The animal has been given the ability to modify itself to create the variety of all the various attributes within its own species.