Is the Fall a Good Thing

[Drich]

Hey Folks,

Here is something rather interesting that some people may not pick up on.

We all know the story of the fall so I am going to get straight to the point, Here we have God who warned Adam that if he ate from the tree of Good and Evil he would surely Die.

Ok Wait
1) Why did God not say that he would also curse all Adams future offspring to automatic eternal torture?

Pre-fall man was not aware of sin therefore not responsiable for it or it's consenquences. Post fall man is.

It's like a 3 year old pushing his younger brother down a flight a stairs killing him, verses a 30 year old man doing the same thing.

Adam sold himself and everyone after him into slavery under sin, by giving us the knoweledge of it.

And also how is it Just to place the sins of the father onto the son?

We are not responsiable for Adam's sin, just our own. what was passed was the awareness of sin.

2) If there was no death then how would Adam know if it was a good thing or a bad thing. Adam would needed to have understood what death entailed e.g. Torture and then he would have made an unbiased decision.

Why do you assume it was not explained or demonstrated?

The bible says death was not a common in the garden till after the fall, it does not say death was not possiable.

Ok so we drag on a bit here and we find that they ate the apple and God condemned the rest of mankind

1) How can God justify placing the sins of One man onto the rest of existence including the world.

The same way one man was sent to absolve sin for the rest of the world.

Now heres one for the Christians

Given that the 'Fall' is a bad thing and that it allowed 'Sin' to enter the world. And given that 'Jesus' died to take 'Sin' away and allow us to dwell in 'Heaven' with 'God'.

Can it be that we are better off overall if we believe in Jesus - Thus rendering the fall actually a Good thing as it brings us 'Closer' to God than living on earth 'Apart' from him.

Yes! This is exactly why the fall happened. God wants to live in Heaven with only those who truly want to be with Him. The only way we can truly know if we want to be with God is to live apart from Him and on our own accord return. The fall is God's way of setting us free, Christ's attonement was His way of providing us away to return.

How does the saying go, If you truly love someone let them go, and if they return they are yours forever?

Based on this Logic the fall of man was predestined and thus there is no Freewill whatsoever so those who do not follow God were predestined to eternity rendering God evil?

The is no free will as most understand it. "Free will" is a greek philosphy and not a biblical doctrine. Since the fall we have been slaves to sin. thus our will is governed by sin. That said God has seen fit to give us one truly free choice. To stay in sin or to return to Him.

Your lack of a vareity of choices does not make God 'evil.' Your lack of any choice, and condemination would.