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Is the Fall a Good Thing
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
(January 6, 2014 at 10:21 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Hey Folks,

Here is something rather interesting that some people may not pick up on.

We all know the story of the fall so I am going to get straight to the point, Here we have God who warned Adam that if he ate from the tree of Good and Evil he would surely Die.

Ok Wait
1) Why did God not say that he would also curse all Adams future offspring to automatic eternal torture? And also how is it Just to place the sins of the father onto the son?
2) If there was no death then how would Adam know if it was a good thing or a bad thing. Adam would needed to have understood what death entailed e.g. Torture and then he would have made an unbiased decision.

Ok so we drag on a bit here and we find that they ate the apple and God condemned the rest of mankind

1) How can God justify placing the sins of One man onto the rest of existence including the world.

Now heres one for the Christians

Given that the 'Fall' is a bad thing and that it allowed 'Sin' to enter the world. And given that 'Jesus' died to take 'Sin' away and allow us to dwell in 'Heaven' with 'God'.

Can it be that we are better off overall if we believe in Jesus - Thus rendering the fall actually a Good thing as it brings us 'Closer' to God than living on earth 'Apart' from him.

Based on this Logic the fall of man was predestined and thus there is no Freewill whatsoever so those who do not follow God were predestined to eternity rendering God evil?

Here's your mistake with the whole idea you presented, Paul addressed this when he said, should we continue to sin to continually grow the grace of God for the forgiveness of sin. Paul said by no means. Here's the verses Romans 6:1-7 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace might increase?
2) May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3) Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4) Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so that we too might walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6) knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin;
7) for he who has died is freed from sin.

You see Paul is saying several things here but, one of the biggest is repentance, the walking away from sin so that we may be more Christ like. The fall was never good, it cost God and man alike.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 6, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 6, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Drich - January 6, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 6, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Drich - January 6, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 6, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 6, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 6, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 6, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 6, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 6, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 2:01 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by LastPoet - January 6, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by EgoRaptor - January 6, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Belac Enrobso - January 6, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Darkstar - January 28, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by LostLocke - January 6, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Belac Enrobso - January 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 7, 2014 at 1:52 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Mystical - January 28, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 9:52 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by ThePinsir - January 28, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 28, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 10:01 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by The Valkyrie - January 28, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 29, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 29, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 30, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 30, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 31, 2014 at 3:23 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - February 1, 2014 at 5:40 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 28, 2014 at 11:17 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 28, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Darkstar - January 29, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 29, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Darkstar - January 29, 2014 at 12:46 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 29, 2014 at 1:55 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by max-greece - January 29, 2014 at 4:07 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 12:58 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 31, 2014 at 3:02 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 31, 2014 at 3:19 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 31, 2014 at 7:50 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 31, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 31, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 30, 2014 at 12:47 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 30, 2014 at 6:43 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Tonus - January 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 30, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 30, 2014 at 9:58 pm

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