Dear God, Eve what have you done?

[Esquilax]

...and me offering you evidence that you can not process is also a true to form exercise in futility. Because no matter what makes sense to me whether it makes sense to you or not, you will dismiss it. Therefore the only sensible recourse is to ask you what you are looking for and help you find it. (In order to break this cycle)

So, first of all, this entire paragraph is an unjustified assumption you've made; you have no idea whether I will or won't object to your evidence, and you also don't know my reasons for doing so, if I did. What this is, is a wonderful way to cover up for a lie: "Oh, even if I told you the truth you wouldn't believe it. You just can't understand it anyway." It's just a way to escape justifying the position you've taken, and I'm not even going to indulge it with the dignity of getting angry at you for accusing me of it. You're wrong, moving on.

What I will do is remind you- and I'm rather bemused that I need to in the first place- how ideas work in the real world: A rationally justified idea is formed when converging lines of evidence produced by reality flow together to form a conclusion about the nature of that evidence. That's the justified way to come to an opinion: evidence first, then conclusion.

Therefore, if you've come to this conclusion of yours through a rationally justified way, there would be evidence you can present without me needing to tell you where you should look to find it. That conclusion, when matched to this evidence, will either be correct or incorrect, but if it's the former I'll accept it, and if it's the latter, that will be the only reason I reject it.

What you're trying to do, is to get me to do half the work for you by showing you where to look, whereupon you'll find whatever evidence you can that suits your position in that area, but I somehow doubt you'll present the actual current state of the research in that area if it disagrees with the idea you're trying to convince me of. In fact, you've already done that here: in conversation on the fossil record, you've presented the claim that there aren't any fossils in a given area, but in doing so you've ignored the position of mainstream science on that claim, because it isn't that this is because that's where the garden of eden was.

The question you're asking is phrased in such a way as to eliminate from the outset contradictory evidence in favor of exclusively discussing only what confirms your view, separated from the larger context of everything that doesn't confirm it.

I know your not stupid, and I know you can recognize me turning the tables on you, and I know you know, if you were to participate you would do so without a safety net. (The atheist anthem 'prove it/where's the proof.') so let me bottom line it for you.

You don't know it, you believe it: knowledge is demonstrated, not asserted. And don't you dare presume to tell me what I know, either.

Yet more assertions made without evidence.

Man up, define what your looking for, or cower behind haughty words, insults and thinly veiled self assurances.

Do I have to remind you that I did that the first time you asked? Your response was to simply detail to me why you couldn't possibly find evidence in that field, in doing so eliminating one of the few paths of research you would have to confirm your theory. That's why I haven't bothered supplying more suggestions from there, and instead asked what you have beforehand.

Because I think you're playing a kind of trick, Drich. I've seen what convinced you, and we both understand, I think, why "the holy spirit," isn't a terribly compelling piece of evidence to an atheist; by relying on that you're putting the cart before the horse, and I don't think you have a way of getting that horse around the cart. Instead, you ask us what would convince us, and then slowly eliminating any suggestions we give you, until eventually we can't supply you with any more. At that point, you've won: "Aha!" you'll say. "There's nothing that would convince you of my claim?! Atheist dogma has blinded you!"

I'm not willing to engage in your mind games, so you can keep your delusions safe from interference, Drich. You have the burden of proof; stop pretending that we'll never allow it to be fulfilled.

Either way it make absolutely no difference to me. I've found what I have been looking for. The only question is are you brave enough to look for yourself?

Faith is an insufficient reason for believing something.