RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
January 15, 2014 at 10:40 am
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2014 at 11:17 am by Drich.)
(January 14, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: What about me as a christian terrified of hell desperately praying for god to strengthen my faith and make a better Christian?If your faith/house was built on sand(Religion rather than the God of the bible/Jesus) and you prayed to become a better christian then your atheism is an answer to your prayer.
Fore if you had a toxic view of God and Christianity and you wanted a better one then the only thing to do is tear down your house/faith by the wind and rains of life, and allow you the Oppertunity to rebuild this time on the rock of Christ.
(January 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Because instead of helping these people he chose for them to burn in hell instead.God simply enforces the desision we make for ourselves in this life. If people choose Hell over an eternity with God, then God will simple see to it they get what they spent a life time seeking. (Seperation between themselves and God.)
(January 15, 2014 at 4:31 am)Esquilax Wrote:(January 15, 2014 at 12:30 am)Drich Wrote: I disagree, matter of fact I see mountains of doubt being moved all the time.
Unless that mountain of doubt occupied a definite spatial coordinate through which it could be moved, you're equivocating pretty blatantly, not to mention pathetically.
Oh, and even if you're right, you're wrong anyway: "Nothing will be impossible to you," is pretty clearly in favor of literal mountain moving.
Let go back to the greek and see what Jesus was talking about rather than just guessing (badly) about it shall we?
The passage in question is found in Mat 17: 14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.”
17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”
20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21]
Just in the context of the passage we can see Jesus nor his deciples were not trying to move a 1000ft mass of sand and stone. The deciples were trying to cast out a demon. Yet In the english we have the text reporting that Jesus identified this task as moving a mountain. This would have me ask what word did He orginally use and what was it's meaning?
The word in the greek is ὄρος oros It can mean a literal mountain, but again since the context does not support that understanding So if we turn to the Thyares lexicon we see the word oros can also mean (in this context)" to accomplish a most difficult task, to accomplish stupendous or incrediable things."
Kinda like how we sometimes use the word to describe a huge task.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...3735&t=KJV
(January 15, 2014 at 5:25 am)Yahweh Wrote: I have a question for all of you christians; what if you're wrong?
then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?
Answer: There will be Hell to pay.

(January 15, 2014 at 10:03 am)KUSA Wrote:(January 15, 2014 at 12:30 am)Drich Wrote: I disagree, matter of fact I see mountains of doubt being moved all the time.
This statement is a cop out and you know it. Please retort in a literal sense instead of talking in metaphors or allegory.
the the post to esq