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No Proof = No Knowledge
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RE: No Proof = No Knowledge
(January 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm)Darkstar Wrote: It really depends on how strictly you adhere to the definition of certain. If 99% is enough, then there are plenty of things that you can justify belief in. If you mean an absolute 100%, then, technically speaking...you get Solipsism. Which is not so good. Perhaps the courtroom "reasonable doubt" standard is better, that is until we start debating how to define 'reasonable'.

I'd say 99% certainty is still a little too much, you can leave some room for doubt when you don't actually know and have no concrete proof.





Try to get it over 50% either way so you're not sitting on the fence you want to be one side or the other.

(January 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Yes but people lie.

Book of Mormon/Scientology yes certainly, the Quran seems likely and the Bible much less likely. Take into account the level of sincerity St Paul writes with here in Corinthians.

"But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.…"

I doubt St Paul was lying about what he believed/experienced, neither he nor any of the other Christians would have stood to gain by lying about this anyway quite the opposite. Joesph Smith and L Ron Hubbard, Mohammed to some degree did stand to gain something by making some shit up. So I think that's a decent point to bear in mind. Of course there is the possibility that everyone involved Jesus himself were nuts/crackers but they acknowledged this a as a possibility themselves yet stood by their faith in the face of persecution against them, in many cases they even ended up martyring themselves they wouldn't do this for a deliberate lie obviously.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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No Proof = No Knowledge - by ChildOfReason - January 13, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Godschild - January 14, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - January 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Godschild - January 14, 2014 at 6:24 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Bad Writer - January 14, 2014 at 7:39 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by The Reality Salesman - January 16, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by ChildOfReason - January 16, 2014 at 11:24 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 14, 2014 at 5:43 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 14, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 14, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ben Davis - January 15, 2014 at 10:45 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Darkstar - January 15, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Minimalist - January 14, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Darkstar - January 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 15, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 15, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 15, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 9:04 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 10:08 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 11:01 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 12:38 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 2:41 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 16, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Bad Writer - January 17, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sword of Christ - January 17, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by pocaracas - January 16, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 12:47 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Sinnersburninhell100 - January 16, 2014 at 1:03 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 1:25 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - January 16, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 8:15 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Crossless1 - January 15, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Bad Writer - January 16, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by ChildOfReason - January 16, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:28 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:48 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:56 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 2:01 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 2:08 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 8:58 pm
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 2:54 am
RE: No Proof = No Knowledge - by Mothonis - January 26, 2014 at 8:45 pm

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