FREE WILL! why cant god physically show himself?

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='584152' dateline='1389881305']
Freewill as you understand it is not a biblical concept. Matter of fact we are told we are slaves to sin with no completly independant will of our own. The only thing we have resembling free will is the ablity to choose whether or not we want redemption from sin which leads to an eternity with God.

Drich, you are a complete moron. If you have no 'completely independent will of your own', saying you can 'choose' anything is a contradiction, because that necessarily indicates that things could have been otherwise. But you've already ruled that out in your OWN post.

what does completely independant will mean in this context?
It means were are not allow to choose what ever we want, however it does not proclude all choice, Meaning we do have the ablity to choose something that we have been given over to choose from. Which if you took the time to read what i actually wrote you would have seen that, we have been given a choice. To remain in sin or to seek redemption from it.

Well then, I wonder why he supposedly revealed himself to Moses and the other prophets, to the disciples trhough Jesus, and to Paul? Biblically, doesn't seem to have 'destroyed the point and purpose' of their lives.

because their lives did not center around one choice, but to gather people and teach or prepare them of the choice they were given.

And how would it even do that? And how can you claim God's glory is known?

It is revealed to us Via the Holy Spirit when we Ask, Seek and knock for it as outlined by Luke 11...
-Or did you think I and people like me seek to spend their lives telling people about what they have found from a complete vacuum?

Further, if we wanted to be with God because we love him, that's STILL for our benefit: to get the love. And even if it were otherwise, why would it matter?

But when you truly love someone and do not get love in return do you stop loving them? If your child got sick and could not respond to you (could not get love in return from them) would you stop loving your child?

The trials we face sometimes makes us feel as if we are not high on the list of those in whom God loves, but it is those in whom God chasens that He loves the most. For it is the trials that push us to grow spiritually.

Okay Drich, you're describing the real world now. People already do that.

Indeed and they have from the time of Christ. That is why Jesus said this mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Many go through the motions of Christianity now, and yet they do not know God. How many more would be going through those motions if the threat and danger of hell were as real as the grand canyon? Like if you could goto a place and see your buddies suffer.. how many would go through the motions that really hated and resented God, just on the off chance they would save themselves?

If Hell was known to be real, the amount of people actually doing that would close to nil. After all, they KNOW it's real in that case.

I disagree, and history disagrees with you. Look at the dark ages, when as far as everyone knew Hell was real and look at the corruption that took place in the name of faith.. Evil men will be evil no matter the context. At least this way we can be honest with ourselves.

This is really just waffle here.

blueberry or plain?