(January 16, 2014 at 11:39 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: (Mary) was told before hand by the angel Gabriel and she seemed happy enough about it. There was no actual sex involved of course therefore no rape just the implantation of the divine essence of whatever it was that went on I don't think we can know.She still wasn't given a choice and that's the key aspect of rape, the absence of consent. She was told by Gabriel that God was going to impregnate her therefore even though there was no physical intercourse, her rights were just as breached & she was just as pregnant as if there had been.
Quote:The Old Testament does demand that rapists be stoned to death it's not really pro rape.Really? Then you don't know your bible in this case. [sardonicism] You'll find that the majority of 'punishments' for being a rapist involved having to take lifetime responsibility for your victims 'welfare' by having to 'suffer' marriage to them. [/sardonicism]
Stoning was only in the case of adulterous rape and even then, not in all circumstances and not always the rapist, also the victim. Hardly just behaviour and mandated by God, too.
Quote:It does have rules on how to treat your women taken as war booty but I suppose it's better than just raping them and leaving them to die which they otherwise would have done. Women back then needed husbands to look after them and put a roof over their heads anyway so I imagine they would have opted to stay with their captors if they were treated well. By our own modern standards of behavior we would still furrow our brows at these passages of course.So for you, the bible provides a context in which rape is okay? And the fate of the Midianite girls meets this rationale for justification? Rape is never okay. For some women, death may well have been preferable to being kidnapped at sword-point, forced into a lifetime of indentured servitude and raped. God promised the Midianite girls to his soldiers as a reward for their fighting as if they were property, chattel or spoils and there's no adequate justification for that behaviour.
Quote:The rape of Lot by his daughters wasn't meant to be a good thing it was an explanation for origins of these tribes of people in the area of the time that the Jews didn't really like, they were born through the abomination of incest. There is some tribal propaganda in there.It was still the mechanism by which God allowed the propagation of Lot's line. Thus rape was once again mandated by God.
Sum ergo sum
