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Do Christians actually want evidence?
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RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm)FreeTony Wrote: Two options for a believer:

1) There is sufficient evidence to believe the Jesus/God claims in the bible, therefore no faith* is required to believe.

2) There is not sufficient evidence to believe (on evidence alone), which is why faith is required.

Let's imagine Christianity is true, then the following occurs:

Any additional evidence that people find, e.g. they find Noahs Ark/prove the existence of God through logic/ find genuine non christian evidence of Jesus etc push you from 2) towards 1). Eventually you reach a point where faith is not required.

This would be fine, except Christians argue that God purposefully doesn't make his existence obvious** (some claim this would negate free will). So as more and more data supporting Christianity emerges, this plan to not be believed in, apart from those with faith, is slowly ruined.

It also means that people nowadays are unfairly treated (sent to hell for not believing), compared to times in the future where more evidence is available and they are therefore less likely to not believe and get sent to hell***.

It just doesn't make any sense, or does it?

* Faith here is defined as belief without sufficient evidence.
** If an ominpotent God wanted everyone to believe iit exists, it would be able to do this.
*** Even if no hell, Christians almost always argue there are benefits to being a Christian, making life more pleasureable and tend to include life after death which is seen as a massive positive.

You base everything on "evidence". But, then you discount "evidence" found by "believers". Why do you look for something that doesn't exist in you mind, and heart? That would be foolish! Oue?

You don't doubt any evidence by physicists about matter and energy! Even though you, yourself are unable to recreate any of their experiments!
Or, even the fact that many other physicists may be unable to acttually recreate supporting evidence....or even explain it!

So... whats the difference?

A true believer, doesn't need any evidence... at least in a physical manner. But talking "spiritual" to an atheist, is like writing physics formulas on a kindergarten blackboard.

When you Love God, the Holy Spirit shows you things spritual. Things that sometimes are meant for only yourself....things no one else will understand. Even other believers.

But, as a good Christian friend of mine always says: "This is just everyday stuff, to those who Love the Lord!" Amen!
Quis ut Deus?
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Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by xpastor - January 14, 2014 at 1:01 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Minimalist - January 14, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 14, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Thackerie - January 17, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 14, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Godschild - January 14, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Godschild - January 15, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 15, 2014 at 9:58 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 12:43 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 3:37 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 8:44 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by MitchBenn - January 15, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 16, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 1:33 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 1:57 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Crossless1 - January 16, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Brian37 - January 14, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by EgoRaptor - January 14, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by downbeatplumb - January 14, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Minimalist - January 14, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 14, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 6:37 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 14, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Cyberman - January 14, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 7:54 pm
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 12:30 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 15, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Polaris - January 15, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 2:31 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Polaris - January 15, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 15, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 15, 2014 at 5:25 am
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 15, 2014 at 8:10 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 15, 2014 at 8:20 am
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 15, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 15, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Bad Wolf - January 15, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 15, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Polaris - January 15, 2014 at 10:03 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 10:24 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Godschild - January 17, 2014 at 10:27 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Whateverist - January 17, 2014 at 11:47 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by xpastor - January 17, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by ronedee - January 16, 2014 at 7:51 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Bad Wolf - January 16, 2014 at 9:24 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 4:50 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Aractus - January 17, 2014 at 4:03 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by xpastor - January 17, 2014 at 7:57 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 7:18 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 9:35 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 10:13 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Whateverist - January 19, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by MitchBenn - January 17, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 17, 2014 at 7:26 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Minimalist - January 17, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm

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