FREE WILL! why cant god physically show himself?

[MindForgedManacle]

Yeah I did not watch the video.

That was rather obvious. What you said didn't have anything to did with the pwnage in the video.

Ok, lets start over you seem to be lost. We do not have free will or complete autonomy. we have but only one choice in this life to make, as Sin dominates out complete existance. That choice boils down to one question do we want redemption for sins or not?

Well, I'm not because you've essentially restated what I just rebutted. You don't have any 'choice' (as in, could do otherwise) if your will is 'dominated by sin'. There is no choice here. If your will is so dominated by sin, on your view it's incoherent to say you 'chose' to remain in it instead of accepting Christ. Try to keep up, please.

The purpose of our lives is to play out the desires of our heart apart from the known Glory of God. If God's glory is known then how can we live the life we were purposed to live?

Firstly, how is it our purpose? Merely creating something gives one no inherent purchase on labelling what it's necessary purpose is. That is an entirely subjective value judgement. To say otherwise is to commit the Naturalistic fallacy, that is to say that something ought to be the case simply because of how something is.

It would still center around one choice, but rather than freely choose we would feel obligated to choose. then wonder for eternity why we went to Hell anyway.

Againl you're contradicting you're contradicting yourself in even talking about a 'free choice'. And it wouldn't be an obligation. And I don't see how it would follow that they would go to Hell.

There are those who truly Ask and Seek and Yes they truly do not find find. Why? Because we are not command to truly Ask and Seek... We are Commanded to Ask, Seek and knock. Without the knocking we are doomed to not find anything. Why? Because in order to find God we all must spend time seriously scrutinizing what we believe in most this results in a period of disassoceiated belief. Meaning we seperate ourselves from our father's religions in order to seek our own. If we do not seek we will never get past this schedualed stop. If you look at just about every single person the bible mentions they spend a time or period seeking or even lost in the desert (The desert being metaphorical or in the case of the jews, david, Christ, Paul, Moses and the like it was literal.) Like wise we are all to spend a time wandering seeking..) This is where most of the 'true askers and seekers' on this website or the people of this website seem to know have all walked away.

And as I said, the usual Christian cop-out. It's literally a tautology that you whip out like a penis and become "that guy" at a party. It amounts to "Even if you were a true seeker, you just didin't seek long enough. Everyone that does, God will reward/ lay his grace upon/insert Christian platitude here".

If you do not have the humility to A/S/K as outlined in luke 11 and in the life of every single character outlined in scripture that God used is some great way, then that asker/seeker must have not been that genuine beyond what they expected/demanded of God.. In otherwords if they expected God to react on their time table rather than submiting to His then they did not have the humility needed to approach God in the first place meaning they did not Behave in a manner consistant with Luke 11, no matter what they felt at the time.

As I said, a completely ad hoc tautology. And I didn't even realize you would just come out and admit it.

You seem to be missing an element, did you read the passage I left from Mat 7?
If you did you would see that there are those who go through the motions of Christianity and yet Jesus deems them as unbelievers anyway. even though they did great miricals and good works. Therefore those people would be in Hell, even if they went through the motions of christianity.

Yes, and I already knew what you were referencing. Did you even read my post? Not carefully, clearly. You specifically said that in this hypothetical world people KNOW God and Hell exist. You're now describing cannot be wrong (because they know) about God and Hell existing, and yet going against every dominant inclination that permeates them and choosing to be infinitely tortured. So glad we live in the same world, where people still choose to do things they know will result in infinite torture...

Where is the Calvinist who believes themself to be unelect? Where is the Armenian who believes in the saving power of Christ, and yet chooses not to believe anyway? We already see that in this world, much less in a world where it is completely known that God and Hell are real.

Actually we don't. because there isn't a place where we can see the reality of Hell. There is a vast difference between perceived persecution and punishment and known persecution and punishment. Our history shows that we will endure potential of death and destruction if there is a hope that we can retain some symbolance of a lifestyle we can find acceptable verses following a path that will lead to a horrid destructive end.

I kept my quote there so you couldn't continue your constant BS. I wasn't saying that we live in a world where we know Hell exists. My point in bringing up Calvinist and Armenian Christians is because I'd say it's practically certain that there isn't a single Calvinist who doesn't think they themselves are not elect, say. So already, we see in THIS world that even with mere belief, and not knowledge as in that hypothetical world, that people who believe Hell REALLY exists don't choose to do, as far as anyone can tell, what they think will actually pit them there.

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Look at what the Jews were willing to endure under hitler until the purpose of the death camps were known.

The were flagged for persuction, rounded up to live in gettos, then moved to labor camps and then on to death camps.. Once word of the death camps got out, Jews were alot harder to find, they took greater risks to avoid captured and when cornered fathers killed their own families to avoid being taken to the death camps.

That is the difference between perceived destruction and the confirmation of destruction. If we had a window into hell the variables are gone, and perceived choice goes away.

Again this life is about proving to ourselves whether or not we would choose to follow God if we did not know of all He offered/His glory.

When we know of God/Hell then the choice we make is no longer about what out hearts truly want it is about saving our skin.. Not that God is fooled by this effort. Meaning we are still going to hell (some of us) because even if we lie to ourselves God still knows the truth about our heart and this whole life would be completely meaningless. (As we would have lied about the reason we want to goto Heaven to ourselves.)

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How disanalogous. You yourself note that the Jews didn't know the purpose of Hitler's death camps initially. In your hypothetical world, we would KNOW of Hell already, so that's a complete nonstarter as far as analogies go.

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