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Do Christians actually want evidence?
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence?
(January 17, 2014 at 11:41 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: That's your own opinion of the evidence we have. That's not the same thing as having no evidence. There's no proof certainly there would nothing to have an opinion on if we did, we would just know it factually. You don't need proof to have a reasonable belief based on evidence however.

No, actually it's not just my opinion: it's factual. Evidence cannot apply toward two mutually exclusive positions, and in terms of the evidence we have, it does not lead toward theism, let alone christianity. Anything you care to show, all you can present, has a core of wishful thinking tainting your view of it: one can easily see the generality behind it that puts the lie to the claim.

Quote:You can't prove there is and you can't prove there isn't so either you believe there is or believe isn't based on the evidence we have.

Or you could just be honest and not do either.

Quote: There is scientific evidence but there can be other kinds of evidences. Certainly nothing we know from science would negate the existence of God and may even point towards him if you into fine tuning of the cosmos in relation the conditions required for the complex structure of living beings to form.

The concept of fine tuning begs the question, because it presupposes that there was an aim to be fine tuned toward, which is a concept that you have not demonstrated. See, this is what I mean, when I told you all your claims involve wishful thinking before: you say that the universe is designed for us because we couldn't live here if things were different, and all I have to do is remind you that the only way that claim is even coherent is if you can show that the universe cares whether we live here or not.

Quote: Heck there was even a point of creation where time itself began to exist. Theists were claiming that for thousands of years while atheists were postulating an eternally existent self contained universe.

And what did science bring when it made that claim, that theists didn't? Evidence!

Quote:How about implanting a microchip in peoples brains that causes their head to explode if they attempt to do someone harm or do anything wrong in at all? Before the explosion they well have a splitting headache warning them not to carry out the action. God doesn't particularly want us to live under that kind of control he wants us as free agents. As free agents we can be good benefit other or evil and harm others. Without freewill we wouldn't have the true capacity for good or evil we would be controlled like machines.

Or how about a series of coincidences within the physical world that prevents harm from resulting from evil actions? The rapist finds himself flaccid around his victim, guns jam before they're fired in anger, etc etc. No violation of free will, and no harm either; I'm a limited human, and I could figure that out.

Why couldn't your god? Thinking

Quote:You're saying we should have no independent freedom from God?

I'm saying if you can stop someone from being hurt and you don't, you're a dick. And if you're in possession of information about every murder that's ever taken place and you don't surrender that to the police, you're an accessory.
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Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by xpastor - January 14, 2014 at 1:01 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 14, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Minimalist - January 14, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 14, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Thackerie - January 17, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 14, 2014 at 4:00 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Godschild - January 14, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Godschild - January 15, 2014 at 10:18 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 1:56 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 10:40 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 15, 2014 at 9:58 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 16, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 12:43 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 3:37 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 8:44 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by MitchBenn - January 15, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 16, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 16, 2014 at 1:33 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 16, 2014 at 1:57 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Crossless1 - January 16, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Brian37 - January 14, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by EgoRaptor - January 14, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by downbeatplumb - January 14, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Minimalist - January 14, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 14, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 6:37 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 6:48 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 14, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Cyberman - January 14, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 14, 2014 at 7:54 pm
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 14, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 14, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Drich - January 15, 2014 at 12:30 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 15, 2014 at 4:31 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Polaris - January 15, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 15, 2014 at 2:31 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Polaris - January 15, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 15, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 15, 2014 at 5:25 am
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 15, 2014 at 8:10 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 15, 2014 at 8:20 am
Re: RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 15, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by KUSA - January 15, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Bad Wolf - January 15, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 15, 2014 at 9:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Polaris - January 15, 2014 at 10:03 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 10:24 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Godschild - January 17, 2014 at 10:27 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Whateverist - January 17, 2014 at 11:47 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by xpastor - January 17, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 16, 2014 at 7:26 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by ronedee - January 16, 2014 at 7:51 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Bad Wolf - January 16, 2014 at 9:24 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 4:50 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 16, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Aractus - January 17, 2014 at 4:03 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by xpastor - January 17, 2014 at 7:57 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 7:18 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 9:35 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 10:13 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:38 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Mudhammam - January 17, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Whateverist - January 19, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Yahweh - January 17, 2014 at 10:31 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by MitchBenn - January 17, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by FreeTony - January 17, 2014 at 7:26 am
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Minimalist - January 17, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: Do Christians actually want evidence? - by Ryantology - January 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm

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