(January 18, 2014 at 3:10 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Life could originate in space and plant itself on suitable planets for all we know, that's called panspermia. We don't actually know but certainly from what we can see complex life requires a stable environment, an energy source and billions of years. These conditions can only exist in a universe that is identical to this, you can't change something and it will still work.
How do you know? Have you factored in all the possible variations of life, or any of this? All these are just bare assertions, when the fact is we've barely scratched the surface of what's possible in the universe.
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Everything we know about the universe through science backs these point up. For instance matter only exists because there was a slight imbalance between matter and anti-matter at the moment the universe came into existence. Had the balance been exactly even both matter and ant-matter would have annihilated each other and no physical matter would exist. You also need matter that forms itself into a stable form and structure, mess around with the speed of the universes expansion or the law of gravity and this wouldn't happen. These aren't assertions this just what we know, this is how the universe is. Certainly had it been different and life not exist we wouldn't be here to notice it that is a small point, this is therefore the only universe living beings will ever notice they exist within. But that doesn't mean the natural balance required for life isn't a very precise knife edge balance. You have life one way and no other.
So because these constants are conducive to life, and because we recognize that some changes to them would make them less conducive to life, you're asserting that this is therefore the only universe in which life could have emerged. This is not something you can say. First of all, you don't have any other universes to compare ours to, nor other potential variations of life, nor... anything, really. No data, means no justified conclusion.
All you can really say is that life, as you understand it, could only exist in this universe.But life as we understand it isn't the same thing as life in general: making the blanket claim that it's this universe or nothing is undercut by all the things you don't know.
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I've explained how the universe actually is in reality, it's an observation. You don't need to demonstrate what you can see and what is already known.
Yeah, and everyone secretly believes you, I bet.
Quote:If there is only one way to create a universe with free living beings in it then you can't make it any other way and still have free living beings in it. That's nothing to do with God not being omnipotent just what he would need to create in order to attain whatever outcome he specifically had in mind.
But a god with no limits on his abilities would have been able to create a different kind of universe with life in it.
Quote:If there is one way to do something specifically then that's the way you have to do it. If God wanted to build a plastic plane he will use plastic planes parts, if he wants to build a plastic tank he would use plastic tank parts. There are certain materials you need and a certain way of assembling the materials.
I don't think you know what the word "limitless" means.
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