RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament
January 21, 2014 at 11:18 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 11:38 pm by Drich.)
(January 21, 2014 at 9:58 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(January 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm)Drich Wrote: The word is:
נָתַן:nathan
I means to dedicate, give over, pledge..
It has nothing to do with a sacrifice.
not even close. What God is commanding is an offering of the first fruits. Meaning the OT Jews had to offer the first of everything? The priest decided what they could use. The offerings of first fruits were burn or killed they were used to help widows and orphans. Offering the first born sons was a kin to pledging the service of the boy to the temple/as a priest or temple benevolence if the community needed help.
Numbers 3:12-13 explains this
11 The Lord also said to Moses, 12-13 “I destroyed all the firstborn in Egypt. At that time I chose all the firstborn from every family in Israel to be mine in a special way. That included all the firstborn men and animals. But now I am choosing the Levites to take their place. Now they will be my special servants. I, the Lord, give this command!”
Ah, no.
Drippy why do you inccesantly feel the need to be arrogant?
I'm not arrogant, I'm just right the vast majority of the time
and I enjoy it when I am. Why? Not because it makes you all look bad or even foolish. (Although that is a bonus especially when a thread constructed like this is proved well beyond wrong.) thread like this meaning a thread that makes an intentionally false statement about God or the bible, rather than asks a question. I rejoice in the truth of God overcoming a false statement or out and out lie. All of that goes away if the 'statement' is made in the form of an earnest question.
In the 'Christian please explain' threads I made an effort to just answer the question asked unless the point I made was argued without cause or counter evidence. This is also true with any question I feel is asked with all sincerity. However the gloves come off when those who proclaim they do not believe in God pretend to teach from God's word.
Honestly look at the self righteousness and even the hostility the op and some of the other members had when they thought God was asking for human sacrifice. No one bothered to ask a question, they just got out their torches, pitchforks and was getting read for a witch hunt. Why shouldn't I rejoice when people like are corrected? It quiets the mob and it gives people who want to know the truth of the matter the info they are seeking.
Even if no one is seeking truth there is still opportunity to be humbled by it. That opportunity for humility can be the very first step in finding God.
(January 21, 2014 at 10:14 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(January 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm)Drich Wrote: The word is:
נָתַן:nathan
I means to dedicate, give over, pledge..
It has nothing to do with a sacrifice.
not even close. What God is commanding is an offering of the first fruits. Meaning the OT Jews had to offer the first of everything? The priest decided what they could use. The offerings of first fruits were burn or killed they were used to help widows and orphans. Offering the first born sons was a kin to pledging the service of the boy to the temple/as a priest or temple benevolence if the community needed help.
Numbers 3:12-13 explains this
11 The Lord also said to Moses, 12-13 “I destroyed all the firstborn in Egypt. At that time I chose all the firstborn from every family in Israel to be mine in a special way. That included all the firstborn men and animals. But now I am choosing the Levites to take their place. Now they will be my special servants. I, the Lord, give this command!”
Ah, no.
"With what shall I come before the Lord
and bow down before the exalted God?
Shall I come before him with burnt offerings,
with calves a year old?
Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams,
with ten thousand rivers of olive oil?
Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,
the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?" - Micah 6:6-7
Oh yes, offering his firstborn, Micah pondered, as "the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul," was only meant "figuratively" as a "dedication," having nothing to do with sacrifice... I'm sure Drich doesn't read the story of Abraham and Isaac as a command from God for a "real sacrifice" either, just a "dedication" (albeit one involving an alter, rope, and a large knife). Sure.
Keep reading cherry picker:
8 Human, the Lord has told you what goodness is.
This is what he wants from you:
Be fair to other people.
Love kindness and loyalty,
and humbly obey your God.
Your verses repersent man asking God what he should do to meet Him.
Verse 8 is the answer.
The short version verse 6&7 "God should we do these things to meet you?"
Verse 8: "no just follow the two greatest commands."
To the second point you made I ask the following,
Did Abraham sacrifice Isaac?
Why? Answer from God: there was no need.
(January 21, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:11 The Lord also said to Moses, 12-13 “I destroyed all the firstborn in Egypt. At that time I chose all the firstborn from every family in Israel to be mine in a special way. That included all the firstborn men and animals. But now I am choosing the Levites to take their place. Now they will be my special servants. I, the Lord, give this command!”
BTW, Drippy. None of that shit ever happened. Just a fantasy. Fiction to keep the dolts in line.
We'll see.
