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(January 23, 2014 at 8:55 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Posted by Godschild - Today 09:34
@ Pickup_shonuff, Exodus 22:28-31 and Exodus 23:1-3 NASV, 28) "You shall not curse God, nor a ruler of your people. 29) "You shall not delay the offering from your harvest and your vintage. The first-born of your sons you shall give to Me. 30) "You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep. It shall be with it's mother seven days; on the eight you shall give it to Me. 31) "And you shall be holy men to Me, therefore you shall eat any flesh torn to pieces in the field;you shall throw it to the dogs. 23:1) "You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. 2) "You shall not follow a multitude in doing evil, nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after a multitude in order to pervert justice; 3) nor shall you be partial to a poor man in disputes.
These commands continue on, yet no where does it say anything about sacrificing male children, now does it.
Luke 1:59 And it came about that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child, and they were going to call him Zacharias, after his father. 60) And his mother answered and said, "No indeed; but he shall be called John."..... Johns father says later in the verse, 76) "And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on before the LORD to prepare His way,
The above scripture shows a first born son being given to the LORD through the act of circumcision on the eighth day.
Luke 2:21-24, 21) And when eight days were completed, so as to circumcise Him, His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb. 22) And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the LORD 23) (as it is written in the Law of the LORD, "Every first-born male male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the LORD"), 24) and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the LORD, "A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons."
Again another example of a first-born male being circumcised on the eight day in dedication to the LORD.
Genesis 17:11-12 ESV, 11) You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12) He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male through out your generations.....
Exodus 13:14-15, 14) And when in time to come your sons ask you, 'What does this mean?' you shall say to him, 'By a strong hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, from the house of slavery. 15) For when Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD killed all the first-born in Egypt, both the first born of man and the firstborn of animals. Therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all the males that open the womb, but all the firstborn of my sons I redeem.'
Psalm 106:34-41 34) They did not destroy the peoples as the LORD commanded them, 35) but they mixed with the nations and learned to o as they did. 36) They served their idols, which became a snare to them. 37) They sacrificed their sons and daughters to the demons; 38) they poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood. 39) Thus they became unclean by their acts, and played the whore in their deeds. 40) Then the anger of the LORD was kindled against His people, and He abhorred His heritage; 41) He gave them into the hands of the nations, so that those who hated them ruled over them.
Doesn't sound like a God who commanded child sacrifice does it, He punished His people for their acts of murder.
I've shown you that circumcision of the first born males was a dedication to God and the first born of certain animals were for sacrifice, I've shown you tat on the eight day the male child is to be circumcised and the firstborn is circumcised in dedication to the LORD. I haven't sen anything from you that says God commanded child sacrifice.
P_s Wrote:Circumcision on the eighth day was commanded for all Hebrew males while the offering of children and livestock was limited to the "first fruits." No inherent contradiction there unless you interpret "You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep" as meaning they did something totally different (circumcision for boys, death for sheep). I see no reason to interpret it this way, considering the accumulative evidence of Yahweh's acceptance of child sacrifice, though clearly it became read this way by the majority later on.
Yes circumcision was required for all males and the examples I gave you showed there was no sacrifice of the first born, only dedication to service for God. You have not brought one speck of evidence that the firstborn males were to be sacrificed to God and there is none in the scriptures, not one example. all your after is to shine a bad light on God and you're going to do it no matter how stupid it makes you look, that sir is called desperation. The only reason you do not want to see what scripture plainly states i because you have abandoned all reason, you have not given us any verses showing God's acceptance of child sacrifice, i on the other hand have shown that the Israelites were punished for such a deplorable act.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
