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Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament
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RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament
(January 23, 2014 at 10:10 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:
(January 23, 2014 at 2:45 am)Drich Wrote: So god makes a law that says do not worship other Gods, along with a law that says you shall not murder... So a king decides he will worship and murder people as sacrifices to other gods..yet in your mind this is the same as God being guilty of something before the fact?

Can you explain this or are you drunk typing?

God had total foreknowledge of those peoples murders and failed to do anything about. That makes him a accessory before the fact and just as guilty as the king that worshipped idols. Especially because it was children.

ROFLOL no, seriously.. What did you really mean? I don't get it.

(January 23, 2014 at 7:32 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(January 23, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes circumcision was required for all males and the examples I gave you showed there was no sacrifice of the first born, only dedication to service for God. You have not brought one speck of evidence that the firstborn males were to be sacrificed to God and there is none in the scriptures, not one example. all your after is to shine a bad light on God and you're going to do it no matter how stupid it makes you look, that sir is called desperation. The only reason you do not want to see what scripture plainly states i because you have abandoned all reason, you have not given us any verses showing God's acceptance of child sacrifice, i on the other hand have shown that the Israelites were punished for such a deplorable act.

GC
Yahweh has no moral objections to the slaughter of children, even babies, if it means faithfulness to a vow or punishment for the "sins of my soul," that is, the parents' failures. Examples of this include:
- The celebration of Jephthah's daughter, who was sacrificed over a dull-witted vow. Unfortunately, no one, including the author of the text, seems remotely aware that any actual moral response deserving an annual celebration would have involved Jephthah breaking his vow to Yahweh. Instead, his vow is kept, his daughter is slaughtered, and Israel creates a new holiday.
- Celebration of Abraham's faithfulness, even to the point of slaughtering his only child. Again, no mention is made of the fact that Abraham actually planned on killing his child. That Yahweh changed his mind and intervened at the last moment has nothing to do with the moral of this story, which is that Yahweh must be obeyed even when it means child sacrifice. Like Numbers 3, this tale demonstrates a way out from child sacrifice (a ram is provided) but nonetheless compliments the Hebrews' past obedience.
- The murder of David and Bathsheba's child, while not a sacrifice in the sense of the others, still portrays the exact same principle. That is, payment for a person's sins can be fulfilled through killing their son or daughter. I'm still waiting to hear your justification for this one.
- We haven't talked about 2 Kings 3:26-27 yet, but this passage seems to indicate that King Moab was rewarded with the defeat or retreat of Israel when he sacrificed his son to Yahweh.
- Of course, Christian theology was born out of the idea of child sacrifice. God sends his figurative son to die on a cross, like the Passover lamb, in order that humanity's sins might be paid and forgiven. This is as objectionable to any case of child sacrifice in the Old Testament, which makes your denial of the latter but full embrace of the former all the more absurd.

I missed your rational and moral justification for all this. Maybe you can re-post it.

How far back are you going to move the goal posts on this topic in order to try and save face?

It started with God commanding human sacrifice. Then We had three pages of doctors and university professors worth of quotes supporting your OP, then a page of you cherry picking numbers 3 (as if no one else could read it for themselves) so that your statement remain plausible. The. Finally one of your own told you to cut it out, and you still can not let things go. Now we are saying what? God allows death? Even to kids?

Forgive me if any of you has lost one, but so what. There is a long list of good people who have lost kids and do not blame God let alone try and use the death of a kid to make an argument for child sacrifice.

You lost this one, save what dignity you can take a breath and try another stock atheist arguement maybe one we have done in a while.. I don't keep score unless you push a topic that we have already put to rest.
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Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 20, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Violet - January 20, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 20, 2014 at 10:22 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Violet - January 20, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 20, 2014 at 11:32 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 21, 2014 at 1:28 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 21, 2014 at 1:52 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 21, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 21, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Esquilax - January 21, 2014 at 3:51 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 21, 2014 at 3:14 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 21, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 23, 2014 at 2:23 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 21, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by truthBtold - January 21, 2014 at 3:55 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 21, 2014 at 9:33 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 21, 2014 at 11:18 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 21, 2014 at 10:14 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Polaris - January 21, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 22, 2014 at 12:57 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 22, 2014 at 1:58 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 22, 2014 at 6:41 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 21, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Angrboda - January 22, 2014 at 2:13 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 22, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 22, 2014 at 10:38 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 22, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 22, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 23, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 23, 2014 at 8:55 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 23, 2014 at 6:28 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 23, 2014 at 7:32 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 24, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 24, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 25, 2014 at 7:03 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by truthBtold - January 22, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 22, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Angrboda - January 23, 2014 at 1:48 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 23, 2014 at 2:01 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 23, 2014 at 2:45 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Lemonvariable72 - January 23, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 23, 2014 at 11:47 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 24, 2014 at 3:36 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 24, 2014 at 10:23 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 9:41 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 11:15 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 2:28 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 4:40 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Lemonvariable72 - January 24, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 24, 2014 at 11:48 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Lemonvariable72 - January 25, 2014 at 12:16 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 23, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 24, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by truthBtold - January 24, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 24, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by truthBtold - January 24, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 24, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 24, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 25, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 25, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 25, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 25, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 26, 2014 at 6:22 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 6:28 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 26, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 27, 2014 at 12:04 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 27, 2014 at 1:30 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by truthBtold - January 27, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Godschild - January 28, 2014 at 12:56 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 28, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Tonus - January 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Mudhammam - January 27, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 26, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Drich - January 27, 2014 at 11:15 pm
RE: Child Sacrifice in the Old Testament - by Minimalist - January 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm

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