(January 26, 2014 at 12:34 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: I did.actually you didn't you posted random verses that contextually do not support your arguement. That is why I asked you to post scripture that does.
Quote:And beyond what the texts themselves describe, I further interpreted them in light of the general principle that Yahweh operates on, which is the purification of sin through the shedding of innocent blood, while you appealed to some contrary system of values (your own, presumably).This further explaination needs to be supported scripturaly in such a way as to tie in with the verses you have yet to provide. Without the connective scripture you are speaking where the bible is not. Which is ok for church doctrine, but not representing the God of the bible.
As this is the nature of the conversation I am having with you I expect no less from you. If your not able to provide the scripture I pointed out that you need, then your efforts will be dismissed as some abstract personal version of Christianity if it does not align itself with some establish for of the christian religion.
Quote:I also pointed out that Hebrew scholars, who study the texts and the culture, also reach similar conclusions, and therefore it is something you should at least consider as a possibility.the Hebrew scholars did not seem to be aware of the passage in numbers 3 that dismissed their claims. I'm not saying there aren't any 'scholars' who make mistakes on this level, I am saying they are few and far between if you found several who think this way especially when there is scripture just a few chapters away from the scripture in question... Then most likely they are not who they or you say they are.
Quote:On the one hand, you do consider it a possibility, because lambs and Jesus are sufficient blood sacrifices due to their "innocence" (though I don't think animals are morally "innocent" or "guilty"), but on the other hand, IT CANNOT BE CHILDREN, which you demand for arbitrary reasons that not even Yahweh takes seriously, evidenced in the case of Jephthah, Abraham, David, and of course, his own "son," Jesus.Are you intentionally being obstinate or do you really not get it? God identified the sin sacrifice from the Jews on one day of the year. This day of attonement is still known as the most holy day on the Jews calendar. (Yom kippur) priestEven secular Jews observe this day. On this one day of attonement a sin sacrifice is offered by the high priest for the whole nation. This most holy most sacred sacrifice according to numbers 29 did not include children. Like you or your so called experts have foolishly speculated.
The Day of Atonement
7 “There will be a special meeting on the tenth day of the seventh month. During that day you must not eat any food,[e] and you must not do any work. 8 You will offer burnt offerings. Their smell will please the Lord. You must offer 1 bull, 1 ram, and 7 lambs that are one year old. There must be nothing wrong with them. 9 You must also offer 24 cups of fine flour mixed with olive oil with the bull, 16 cups with the ram, 10 and 8 cups with each of the 7 lambs. 11 You will also offer 1 male goat as a sin offering. This will be in addition to the sin offering for the Day of Atonement. This will also be in addition to the daily sacrifice and its grain offerings and drink offerings.
In this recipe do you see a call for 10 cups of freshly chopped children? What about whole ones? Is children mention any place in the offering of attonement? No? The offering children must not have been how a levitical priest was to make a sin offering.
Your ignorance here compounded by your 'experts' in basic OT law screams that you or your experts are just making crap up based on how you think OT Judaism worked. You guys have no idea what you are talking about and it shows.
