RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
January 29, 2014 at 3:12 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2014 at 3:22 am by Godscreated.)
(January 28, 2014 at 10:42 pm)Beccs Wrote: The story has always amused me.
An all knowing, all powerful deity created the whole universe, including CURIOUS humans and then placed the forbidden knowledge in the same garden as the humans.
Then he tells them not to touch it?
And this is the being Christians throw their faith in.
The being is either incompetent or evil.
It's crazy how so mean people see this story as more than it is, the story starts out with God's love for man and all He wanted was for man to love Him. To show that love it was to come through obedience. God walked with them through the garden every evening, they understood that God expected them to obey this one simple rule through the free will He gave them. They lived in a harmonious and loving relationship until Adam and Eve messed up. God knew what they had done the minute they disobeyed, yet when He came to them He was not raging as many seem to believe. God called out to them as a father to His children, asking where they were, even though He knew. Up until this point the relationship was based on absolute love, then the fall and the end ie. death of a perfect loving relationship.
GC
(January 6, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(January 6, 2014 at 2:12 pm)Drich Wrote: no because it would not be sin.
you assume that our acts/deeds have an intrinsic value.(that the intintional death of another is always wrong) They don't, even in our soceity. (per my example of the 3 year old and 30 year killing his brother)
Without knoweledge of sin, the acts loose the sin value.
So what you're saying is that Adam could have been a murdering, raping, arsonist pedophile, but as long as he kept away from that fruit, god wouldn't have seen anything actionable in any of that?
Your moral god would have looked upon that and been like, "hey, fine by me."?
No way Adam could have committed those acts without first eating from the Tree, those are all evil acts and that kind of knowledge was not available to Him until after He had disobeyed God and ate from the Tree. The sin of disobedience had to come first.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.