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Is the Fall a Good Thing
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RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing
(January 6, 2014 at 10:21 am)themonkeyman Wrote: 1) Why did God not say that he would also curse all Adams future offspring to automatic eternal torture? And also how is it Just to place the sins of the father onto the son?
I think the answer is dependent on whether or not you believe in some form of "might makes right" as a legitimate means of determining the morality of an action. Is god subject to the same rules and laws that he commands humans to follow on pain of death? If god is above any law and can act however he wants, then there is nothing unjust about the sloppy manner in which he acts in Genesis. If you believe that there are objective right and wrong --that an act is intrinsically right or wrong-- then god was wrong to do what he did.
themonkeyman Wrote:2) If there was no death then how would Adam know if it was a good thing or a bad thing. Adam would needed to have understood what death entailed e.g. Torture and then he would have made an unbiased decision.
Well now you're getting into all of the questions and considerations that make the story of the fall of man so difficult to accept as anything but an ancient moral fable told by people who weren't terribly concerned about dotting their Ts and crossing their Is.*

*Yes, I wrote it that way on purpose. :p
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 6, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 12:19 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 6, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Drich - January 6, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 6, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Drich - January 6, 2014 at 2:12 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 6, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 6, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 6, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 6, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 6, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 6, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 2:01 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 2:08 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by LastPoet - January 6, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by EgoRaptor - January 6, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Belac Enrobso - January 6, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Darkstar - January 28, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by LostLocke - January 6, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Belac Enrobso - January 6, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by themonkeyman - January 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by pineapplebunnybounce - January 6, 2014 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 7, 2014 at 1:52 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Mystical - January 28, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 9:52 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by ThePinsir - January 28, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 28, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 28, 2014 at 10:01 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by The Valkyrie - January 28, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 29, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 29, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 30, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 30, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 31, 2014 at 3:23 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - February 1, 2014 at 5:40 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 28, 2014 at 11:17 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 28, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Darkstar - January 29, 2014 at 12:15 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Esquilax - January 29, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Darkstar - January 29, 2014 at 12:46 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 29, 2014 at 1:55 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by max-greece - January 29, 2014 at 4:07 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 12:58 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 31, 2014 at 3:02 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by houseofcantor - January 31, 2014 at 3:19 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 31, 2014 at 7:50 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Godschild - January 31, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 31, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 30, 2014 at 12:47 am
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by truthBtold - January 30, 2014 at 6:43 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Tonus - January 30, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Ryantology - January 30, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is the Fall a Good Thing - by Minimalist - January 30, 2014 at 9:58 pm

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