(February 2, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Lek Wrote: When I talk about the universe, I'm refering to any material thing that ever existed.
We already have a perfectly good name for the the universe, and that would be.... wait for it.... the universe.
No need to call it something that brings with it so much baggage.
Quote:I think that we can all agree that either the universe always existed or it came into being at some time from the nothing that was already there.
Word salad.
How can nothing be something that has the ability to bring something into existence?
Quote: According to christians and many other theists God was not created. He always existed and has the power to create the universe.
Unsupported, evidenced assertions.
Quote:So either the universe always existed with no beginning or else it created itself, both of which require qualities of God.
False dichotomy.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
