(February 2, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Lek Wrote:(February 2, 2014 at 5:49 pm)Cato Wrote: Nonsense. Who makes the claim that the universe came from nothing?
Also, your claims regarding the characteristics of God are unsubstantiated.
I was trying to make the point that either everything was either created or it always existed. So if everything that is material hasn't always existed, then it came into existence at some point from nothing (or maybe something non-material). So either it created itself or something non-material created it. When I spoke of God I was speaking of the characteristics of the christian God. You could assume it was something beyond what the universe is made from. The point is that it points to something other than the material world.
I'm confused. How far are you willing to twist what god is supposed to be made of? Because if you say that god is made of water you can have evidence of god right here.
You need to show that god is immaterial. Show that Everything/anything immaterial must be god. Show that something immaterial must have existed before the universe (this is so beyond the scope of basic science I don't even want to start, because I'm not sure how much you know about cosmology). And before you do all that, define immaterial.
Otherwise I'm not seeing the point of this exercise.
