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Is the universe God?
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RE: Is the universe God?
(February 2, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Lek Wrote: I was trying to make the point that either everything was either created or it always existed. So if everything that is material hasn't always existed, then it came into existence at some point from nothing (or maybe something non-material). So either it created itself or something non-material created it. When I spoke of God I was speaking of the characteristics of the christian God. You could assume it was something beyond what the universe is made from. The point is that it points to something other than the material world.

Okay, so first of all, "created or always existed" is a false dichotomy, since it fails to take into account all other possibilities, like "arose naturally over time." Just off the top of my head.

Second of all, adding "something non material" as a possibility, when you haven't justified that at all, nor even eliminated the other prong (eternal) of your original false dichotomy, means you're now attempting to force new components of your argument in with no rationale at all. You're trying to cash checks that your argument hasn't even attempted to write, yet.

Third, you can't get from "something immaterial," to "christian god," no matter how had you try. As has been rightly pointed out to you, you can't just define your god into existence by stripping everything meaningful away from the concept in order to get us to accept it, and then slipping all the religious stuff under the door once you've gotten people to say yes.

You're trying to turn your religion into the fine print on the deistic god you want everyone to accept. It's not going to work.
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Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 2, 2014 at 5:44 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Kayenneh - February 2, 2014 at 5:45 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cato - February 2, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 2, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - February 2, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 2, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cato - February 2, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 2, 2014 at 11:18 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - February 2, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by pineapplebunnybounce - February 2, 2014 at 11:23 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cyberman - February 2, 2014 at 11:45 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by houseofcantor - February 3, 2014 at 12:31 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by The Reality Salesman - February 3, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Whateverist - February 3, 2014 at 2:07 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Tonus - February 3, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 5, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 5, 2014 at 9:47 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 5, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Popsicle - February 5, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 5, 2014 at 10:44 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 6, 2014 at 2:34 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 6, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 6, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 6, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 5, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 5, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by pineapplebunnybounce - February 2, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 2, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 4, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cyberman - February 4, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 5, 2014 at 2:43 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by The Reality Salesman - February 2, 2014 at 11:27 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 3, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by The Reality Salesman - February 4, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by max-greece - February 3, 2014 at 2:56 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Alex K - February 3, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Nine - February 2, 2014 at 5:49 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Alex K - February 2, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by FlyingNarwhal - February 2, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - February 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cyberman - February 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by The Reality Salesman - February 2, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Whateverist - February 2, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by pocaracas - February 2, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Minimalist - February 2, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by houseofcantor - February 2, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by The Reality Salesman - February 2, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 2, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Whateverist - February 3, 2014 at 11:25 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 3, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 4, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by max-greece - February 4, 2014 at 5:07 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Popsicle - February 5, 2014 at 3:15 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cato - February 5, 2014 at 3:25 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Popsicle - February 5, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cato - February 5, 2014 at 4:00 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Weewah - February 5, 2014 at 5:36 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Popsicle - February 5, 2014 at 7:43 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Weewah - February 5, 2014 at 9:12 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Cyberman - February 5, 2014 at 9:52 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Lek - February 6, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 7, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 7, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 7, 2014 at 10:01 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 7, 2014 at 10:29 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 7, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 7, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 8, 2014 at 2:28 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 8, 2014 at 5:22 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 8, 2014 at 6:22 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 8, 2014 at 7:46 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 8, 2014 at 7:57 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 8, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 8, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 8, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Esquilax - February 9, 2014 at 1:07 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by pocaracas - February 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Simon Moon - February 8, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by EvolutionKills - February 8, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Sword of Christ - February 7, 2014 at 8:03 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by truthBtold - February 7, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Whateverist - February 7, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Is the universe God? - by Alex K - February 8, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by truthBtold - February 8, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Alex K - February 8, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Is the universe God? - by Rampant.A.I. - February 8, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Is the universe God? - by Jacob(smooth) - February 8, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Is the universe God? - by Rampant.A.I. - February 8, 2014 at 7:13 pm

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