As of yet all I have read is reasons why you don't believe in 'god.' I never brought god into it, I want to hear a logical reason for Materialistic Atheism. Not a reason why you don't like religion, or a believe in a specific god.
Atheism claims an interest in truth and nothing more. But as far as I can tell it is just a fan club against religion. If you actually were interested in the ultimate truth's, then you would be going about finding it, and not in just one specific area, but in all the areas available to us. We know without a shadow of a doubt that what we see and perceive is not reality. So to say, 'we know the material world exists' is actually quite naive. I am not saying it doesn't, in some form, but not how we perceive it. If materialism is correct, and this universe is simply a ball of blind matter that happened to spring into existence and then spawn consciousness as pure fluke (scientists are realising this doesn't make any sense) then you have to believe in miracles. Here's why;
If the universe is purely matter, then either;
Something came out of nothing, or
it is infinite.
The idea of an infinite universe within time and space is a highly illogical one and that has been clear for centuries. So, if something came out of nothing, then how? Well that's a miracle no matter how it happened. And don't give me the theories of multiple universes etc. because it had to start somewhere, and creating multiple universes is an unnecessary complication to the matter.
Another point I'd like to make is that the word "god" has a million and one connotations. A creator god is just one, and probably the most primitive.
As for my 'beliefs' I do not believe in a religious god, nor am I an Atheist or Agnostic. I am interested in the truth, and by truth I don't mean facts, I mean ultimate truth's. Facts are merely a trivial observation within time and space. Science has to operate within time and space by definition, therefore it will never be able to answer the big questions, like are time and space fundamental? Many scientist's know this. However people who know very little about science, religion, philosophy, metaphysics, etc. seem to think that we have things pretty sussed out and there is no other option than the scientific one. If those people actually took some time to really study the subjects they are supporting or refuting, then they would realise that there is a lot more to it all than they think.
Atheism claims an interest in truth and nothing more. But as far as I can tell it is just a fan club against religion. If you actually were interested in the ultimate truth's, then you would be going about finding it, and not in just one specific area, but in all the areas available to us. We know without a shadow of a doubt that what we see and perceive is not reality. So to say, 'we know the material world exists' is actually quite naive. I am not saying it doesn't, in some form, but not how we perceive it. If materialism is correct, and this universe is simply a ball of blind matter that happened to spring into existence and then spawn consciousness as pure fluke (scientists are realising this doesn't make any sense) then you have to believe in miracles. Here's why;
If the universe is purely matter, then either;
Something came out of nothing, or
it is infinite.
The idea of an infinite universe within time and space is a highly illogical one and that has been clear for centuries. So, if something came out of nothing, then how? Well that's a miracle no matter how it happened. And don't give me the theories of multiple universes etc. because it had to start somewhere, and creating multiple universes is an unnecessary complication to the matter.
Another point I'd like to make is that the word "god" has a million and one connotations. A creator god is just one, and probably the most primitive.
As for my 'beliefs' I do not believe in a religious god, nor am I an Atheist or Agnostic. I am interested in the truth, and by truth I don't mean facts, I mean ultimate truth's. Facts are merely a trivial observation within time and space. Science has to operate within time and space by definition, therefore it will never be able to answer the big questions, like are time and space fundamental? Many scientist's know this. However people who know very little about science, religion, philosophy, metaphysics, etc. seem to think that we have things pretty sussed out and there is no other option than the scientific one. If those people actually took some time to really study the subjects they are supporting or refuting, then they would realise that there is a lot more to it all than they think.
