I was just in a debate with a christian

[Sword of Christ]

The design might let evil in, but it also makes good to a standard that would make us safe impossible. If god's stated purpose was to save his creation, there's a much more straightforward way to do that, but it includes not winding the failure state around our existence.

If we were created instantly as physical immortal gods day one complete with freewill, if that's possible to do, we would probably end like the gods of Olympus at best. We would likely spend much of eternity trying to make existence as unpleasant for each other as possible while vying for domination and power over each other, casting vanquished foes into the depths of the Tartarus and so on. So that isn't an ideal model for eternal life. The sin element has to be factored into the equation if this going to work.

I know you won't see it because... well, I won't be mean, but could you envision being involved in any other trial where the definition of "failure" is the same as "involvement"? All you've done is denied that this game is stacked against us, but fiat assertions in the face of... the facts of the game, aren't going to get you very far.

There is a grand plan where everything will work itself out and we're part of that. We're not playing a game with odds stacked against us we're participants in an eternal dance at the centre of which is a man with holes in his hands and feet. That doesn't deny the suffering and hardship of life seeing as God experienced it himself as one of us.

Now, is this the system I actually have in mind, and explained to you exhaustively in another thread, or is it the system you lied about me having in the same thread, and kept repeating your misrepresentation until I gave up explaining to you and just pointed out how disrespectful you were being?

The system you have in mind is.



Seems a bit vacuous, there are people who aren't really enjoy their lives that's little bit a point to make. You go through all this business just to end up in the ground nourishing some fucking tree. Whats it all for? Nothing particularly really.

Which system? The one I believe in, or the moral relativism one you're going to say I have, even now knowing that's not true?

This would be the atheist system.