I was just in a debate with a christian

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If we were created instantly as physical immortal gods day one complete with freewill, if that's possible to do, we would probably end like the gods of Olympus at best. We would likely spend much of eternity trying to make existence as unpleasant for each other as possible while vying for domination and power over each other, casting vanquished foes into the depths of the Tartarus and so on. So that isn't an ideal model for eternal life. The sin element has to be factored into the equation if this going to work.

Why do you do that? Why do you always swing to the opposite extreme, rather than just reading what I've said?

God could just have a system where a normal, mortal human could strive and actually succeed in having a sinless life without needing this undefined "salvation," too. Just construct a system where it's possible to win the game without a loophole, that's called fairness, you know?

There is a grand plan where everything will work itself out and we're part of that. We're not playing a game with odds stacked against us we're participants in an eternal dance at the centre of which is a man with holes in his hands and feet. That doesn't deny the suffering and hardship of life seeing as God experienced it himself as one of us.

More flat assertions that fly in the face of the facts.

Seems a bit vacuous, there are people who aren't really enjoy their lives that's little bit a point to make. You go through all this business just to end up in the ground nourishing some fucking tree. Whats it all for? Nothing particularly really.

Oh look, you've moved on to oversimplified strawmen, now! That's... a little better than outright dishonesty, though no more respectful.

You notice how I'm not doing that? I'm not all like "oh, the system you have in place is just "

I don't get it: are you doing this on purpose, or have you just not bothered to actually learn anything about the subject you claim you disagree with?