(February 13, 2014 at 8:33 am)Esquilax Wrote: You know, just asserting that god can never be proven or scientifically demonstrated isn't much of an argument.
If you can't prove (with science) God exists if he exists and you can't prove God doesn't exist if he doesn't exist then Burden of Proof argument becomes void.
Quote:It's just you attempting to keep your unjustified beliefs beyond the reach of logic and reason.
I have a lot of justification for it even if you aren't impressed with any of it, but no scientific proof/evidence or evidence that could have an alternative naturalistic explanation. You believe it or don't and there is no Burden of Proof.
Quote: Especially when your claim is that god isn't physical, yet your own bible is resplendent with physical components of god; Jesus, burning bushes, angels, all sorts. To say god isn't, or can never be physical, is just a lie.
The burning bush may well have been a vision from God and there would be nothing physically there to see. That's the problem when you want to seek evidence for God with science. At the very best you may find something baffling that science can't explain but there's plenty of baffling things science can't explain, even if you just count life, consciousness and existence in general. It doesn't really bloody know but it has nailed down details regarding certain physical processes.
Quote:You are now completely, utterly, and simply unjustified in your belief
You can justify the belief in many other ways you just can't "prove it with science". Once you have got that out the way you can look at the other arguments.
Quote:in god, and by your own admission, you can never be rational in your belief in god. Congratulations.
You certainly can be rational in your belief in God, there are many reasonable and rational arguments. There does have to be some element of what you feel to be true as well but that can be regarded as a subjective form of evidence, God is relational with his creatures after all.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
