(March 21, 2010 at 5:06 pm)Saerules Wrote: Nothing, on the other hand, is somewhat more demonstrable. Would you say there is an everything? Of course you would (right? 0.o). Does this everything occupy limited (if expanding) 'space'? If so... what is beyond it? Absolutely nothing. Ergo... nothing exists. Does everything include voids that are only so in their not being things (and as such, not occupy limited 'space')? Then there are voids of things within everything. Ergo... nothing exists.
^ That last counterpoint is a bit better formulated than the others imo... someone 'annihilate' it for me!
We use the term 'void' to describe a relative lack of 'something' ie solder, cheese etc within the confines of the universe. Outside is genuinely nothing, but only in as much as it is beyond our understanding. However, as soon as we quantify it, it becomes something. Nothing is merely an unknown something, therefore it has to exist before we 'know' of it. At least in theory....Well, I tried, but your logic is absolutely correct.
I'm a biker, my friends are mostly bikers. If I tried to discuss this with them they would kick my a** and throw me in the street. I hope you can understand why.
