(March 2, 2014 at 6:23 am)max-greece Wrote: Children that tease a prophet over his bald head get ripped apart by bears. God sanctions this. If he didn't he would have stopped the bears. There is simply no way to wriggle out of this.
Did you miss the part Where I said Elisha was "clearly in the wrong" for what he did? I'm just saying that's on Elisha not God. If God Appoints a prophet, then he is bound to honor the word of the prophet (But believe me you will get in trouble if you use that power for personal gain). So he couldn't have "stopped" the bears because Elisha was already vindicated as a prophet. In other words if the bears didn't come Elisha would be labeled as a false prophet.
(March 2, 2014 at 6:39 am)Esquilax Wrote: So, basically, your position, in summation: a violent assault on a "servant" (read: slave) is perfectly okay, because the "servant" owner has to pay for his property to be repaired... so he can beat it again, if he so chooses.
And that's a position you're actually defending, as though my contention had nothing to do with the "I just got away with near murder" thing.
My position is that if you kill anyone the penalty is death, if you injured someone who wasn't a servant you owed him money. If you injured a servant and he didn't die, (doesn't matter if he died 3 or 4 days later the murder rule would still apply) you didn't owe him money because you already paid him, since He had to sell himself into servitude in the first place.
Exodus 21
16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
This scripture is clear, you cannot force someone into slavery or be found in possession of someone who was forced into slavery. There are no loopholes, please show evidence that they could buy someone that was forced from another nation.
(March 2, 2014 at 6:39 am)Esquilax Wrote: And as we all know, "thou shalt not kill" has some pretty huge caveats in it, where you can kill witches, unruly children, people from other tribes, people of other religions, people who work on the sabbath... So let's not pretend that this commandment is one that remains unbroken, even in the bible.The actual translation is "thou halt not commit Murder". The Law wasn't established until Moses. Why are the Jews called the chosen people? because God chose to give them the Law to show that it is impossible to gain salvation based on works. To break any of the 10 commandments is a capital offense.
Witches..
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Unruly children(this only applies to those above the age of 16, those younger aren't accountable for their actions)...
"Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee."
People from other tribes.. as far as that's concerned war is not murder.
people of other religions
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
people who work on the sabbath...
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
(March 2, 2014 at 6:39 am)Esquilax Wrote:We'll excuse me Mr. pinnacle of all righteousness, I guess you'd be the one exception to "Absolute power corrupts absolutely".Quote:All it means is that they are human. Think about it, if you had the power to kill someone with a word how high would your body count be?
Zero, because I'm not a sociopath, unlike your god.
(March 2, 2014 at 6:39 am)Esquilax Wrote: I have a problem with how you began your response, which implied that Rahul stated this was going on today, or else was just terribly redundant.
It would make absolutely no sense for me to "imply" what he said is going today. Seeing how the situation was much worse for slaves then, than it is now. smh