Slavery (on Thursdays)

[Huggy Bear]

I can see the confusion here. It's a misunderstanding. I think what Wolfie is trying to say is that "slave" and "servant" mean different things, but just because the bible uses the word "servant" (which I'm not convinced of, but I don't have time to do the research right now, so I'll use it for the sake of argument), doesn't make the people in those positions any less slaves. There are many verses in the Bible which, at the very least, condone slavery- not servitude. Bad Wolf was trying to point out to you, Huggy, that, in the case of the bible, the word "servant" is a misnomer, and the word game started when you started trying to fit the definition of "slave" into the word "servant".

I don't see how you can even begin to defend Bad Wolf's position my, signature says it all.

In The KJV of the bible the word "slave" is used only once, Meaning there is a distinction between the word "servant" and "slave". In my sig I was specifically referencing a "hired servant".

Bad Wolf replies with.."Don't play semantics with me. They were slaves."

How can a paid servant be a slave? I also mention that the word "slave" isn't used in the KJV Bible. He replies with...

"Is that all you are reduced to? Pathetic word games?"

His position is that "servant" and "slave" mean the same thing. But yet to my quote "they were paid a pittance." he replies with..

"Its irrelevant how much they were paid. They were servants, not slaves."

So, slaves and servants mean the same thing.. except in cases when they don't? Fine, maybe it was a mistake, correct it and move on. But no no, he can't admit he was wrong, but instead comes back and doubles down.

What I did, wasn't playing semantics at all. You were literally calling servants, slaves.....
You were completely denying slavery in the bible because your bible uses the word 'servant' instead of the word 'slave'. Despite all the verses that demonstrate that they were in fact slaves. That is playing semantics. Calling you out on your bullshit, isn't playing semantics. Servant and Slave have different meanings. Learn them.

Servant and Slave have different meanings except in the Bible, is the point I guess he's trying to make, except that the word "slave" appears once in the KJV Bible meaning they aren't the same.

You are entirely too dishonest to continue this with: as I've already pointed out to you, that seven year minimum was for Jewish slaves only. Anyone else can be enslaved forever, passed down as property, and so on.

Did you not read where I posted that everyone that was in bondage could go free no matter what nationality, in the year of Jubile, which which was every 50 years. Which means you could be a servant for as little as 1 year.

Leviticus 25:10
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family

I'm so tired of this sloppy little bait and switch bullshit, where you only ever talk about one while avoiding the other entirely.

Besides, we should probably amend your example anyway, because the farmer conspicuously seems to have forgotten to mention how the homeless guy would be his property for those seven years,

I already showed you a quote from a Jewish website, which has more knowledge of Hebrew law than I do, which states:

"In Hebrew law, the slave was not a thing, but a human being; he was not the chattel of a master who had unlimited power over him."

Show me in the King James Version of the Bible where it states that a servant/slave is property.

how he's allowed to beat him,

another quote from the website..

"Brutal treatment of any slave, whether Hebrew or heathen, secures his immediate liberty."

also some scripture...
Exodus 21
26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

please explain how this condones beating your servant?

and how he can trick him into staying by giving him a wife that the farmer also owns.

You do realize they had to pay a dowry in those days to get married right? for instance, Jacob had to work 7 years apiece for the father of his two wives in order to marry them. So he could leave, just not if wife (if the wife was provided my the master). She would be free to go on Jubile.

Jesus, there is so much wrong with how you choose to defend these passages that there's no way you aren't just lying your ass off.

Matthew 19:
(KJV)
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The same as every hypocritical rule ever made: "Don't do X thing. Oh, except Y and Z variants, because those don't count."

killing someone in cold blood is murder, executing the murderer is called justice. understand the difference?

Or, and try to follow me on this, I know it's hard to consider, but I could just have this thing called a "conscience," and a little bit of "empathy," that makes me not want to inflict suffering on anyone else. More importantly, I guess we live totally different lives, because I can't think of anyone around me that I'd actually want to kill.

Don't project your own moral failings onto me and then call me a liar when I refuse to sink to your level.

I'll give you an example. when 9-11 happened I can't think of anyone who wouldn't want to kill Osama Bin Laden. My whole point was that in a moment of anger or losing your temper, if you had the power to kill with a word, how big would your body count be? the "honest" answer is at the very least "I don't know", not "zero"

That is why, you sir, are the pinnacle of righteousness.