(March 6, 2014 at 1:17 am)Godschild Wrote:(February 25, 2014 at 11:47 pm)jdrubnitz Wrote: Hey there, all. So, the following is an inconsistency I came to when contemplating the idea of the New Heaven and Earth. It's sort of an extension of the problem of evil. Sympathizing with the vague and broad terms of a "loving" and "good" God, it's really more the "problem of the free will defense argument in the context of Christian Doctrine":
NHNE = New Heaven, New Earth
1. The NHNE doctrine claims there will be no evil or possibility of evil present once the the devil is destroyed, and eternal judgment takes place
2. If there can be no evil present, yet humans still are able to somehow freely choose, than God’s permission of evil in the first place, before the new heaven and earth, was unnecessary.
a. Unnecessary means God did not need to permit evil in order for his goodness and love to thrive, for supposedly his goodness and love can thrive after the NH and NE, even without sin being able to take place
3. If there can be evil present, and humans are able to freely choose it, Jesus’ life and atoning sacrifice had no significance in the first place
a. Significance denotes some eternal bearing on the reality and existence of evil and sin, particularly their defeat by the power of Jesus Christ (His death and Resurrection)
b. “No significance” denotes that Jesus’ actions merely impacted culture and society in a way that may have inspired some sort of change in behavior, just as any man could and has done.
4. If, somehow, it is possible that God remains good and loving by abruptly disallowing the presence of evil after this age, than He is not immutable.
2. The believer claims that God gave human creatures free will in order that he may be fully loving and/or good.
First, you need to understand the scriptures before you make such claims, most of this seems to come from an unknowing mind about the Bible and the God it describes.
1) Where does it say in scripture there will be no more evil, what do you believe will exist in hell, hint, all the evil man has ever committed will be there to keep the company of those residing there.
2) You seem to be mislead as to the reason evil came into existence. God would agree that evil was unnecessary, man on the other hand just couldn't resist having evil in their lives.
a) God's love and goodness had already existed from eternity, good and love do not need evil to exist, however evil can only be defined from the existence of good.
3) Like I stated earlier, evil will be confined to hell, hell is a prison nothing can escape.
a) Jesus life, death and resurrection has eternal significance for those who accept what He did, for those who reject it, there is no significance, because hell takes no decision on one's part to obtain.
4) How does the absence of evil in the NENH change God, you need to present something that can back that up, the scriptures say God never changes.
2. This is a completely false statement, God's love and goodness existed fully before creation, that's why we were created, because it already existed.
GC
Other than scripture, where else to u get ur info?
