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Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 2:39 pm
Can I choose to disobey God once I am in Heaven?
Isn't that the same as sin? Opposition to the will of God.
Is there sin in Heaven?
I don't believe that the idea of Heaven and Hell makes sense. Most notably regarding the problem of choice and identity.
If you no longer have the option to choose things that are wrong, to make mistakes, or to challenge/disobey God, are you even the same person?
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 3:03 pm
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2021 at 3:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 25, 2021 at 2:39 pm)Five Wrote: Can I choose to disobey God once I am in Heaven? We're told that at least one being managed it, and took a third of the population down with him.
Quote:Isn't that the same as sin? Opposition to the will of God.
Yes. You might even call it the archetypal mold.
Quote:Is there sin in Heaven?
At least once...maybe more, depending on how you count it. There are alot of angels in the lesser and greater keys, as it were.
Quote:I don't believe that the idea of Heaven and Hell makes sense. Most notably regarding the problem of choice and identity.
If you no longer have the option to choose things that are wrong, to make mistakes, or to challenge/disobey God, are you even the same person?
Well, let's unpack that. The idea of heaven and hell may make sense even if a person wakes up a different person every day. On monday, the person they wake up to be may be deserving of hell. Tuesday, a saint. It seems like...if you have a choice, when you have a choice......then that choice matters.
Separate this hypothetical different person into the more familiar set of all other persons, who are different from you. Does it seem strange or unfair....or unbelievable, even.... that different persons, different than you, who make different choices...may be more or less deserving of heaven or hell (however defined) based on those choices?
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 3:05 pm
(March 25, 2021 at 3:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (March 25, 2021 at 2:39 pm)Five Wrote: Can I choose to disobey God once I am in Heaven? We're told that at least one being managed it, and took a third of the population down with him.
And yet, many contend that angels have no free will.
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 3:12 pm
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2021 at 3:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Others contend that the myth is internally coherent. Isn't that fun!. 
Still...if it's a thing that a person shouts to strangers on a public board - well. It might be worth looking at what we find compelling about the idea...and why this or that myth isn't one of those things.
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 3:39 pm
We haven’t yet determined if there is free will on Earth.
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 3:55 pm
Well, as we all know, Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens:
So what would the point of free will even be
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 4:03 pm
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 4:04 pm
Drop "Free" in "Free Will" and then it will make sense.
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
March 25, 2021 at 9:37 pm
(March 25, 2021 at 3:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: We haven’t yet determined if there is free will on Earth.
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RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
April 5, 2021 at 1:18 pm
(March 25, 2021 at 2:39 pm)Five Wrote: Can I choose to disobey God once I am in Heaven?
Isn't that the same as sin? Opposition to the will of God.
Is there sin in Heaven?
I don't believe that the idea of Heaven and Hell makes sense. Most notably regarding the problem of choice and identity.
If you no longer have the option to choose things that are wrong, to make mistakes, or to challenge/disobey God, are you even the same person?
No free will in Heaven.
We all pray for God will be done, as his will is righteous and will free from righteousness is evil.
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