(March 9, 2014 at 11:50 am)Brakeman Wrote: It is a lie because deep inside they know they don't really talk to god in the same way that psychics know that they don't really have any idea where a killer's victim is buried.
Again, how do you know that? I was once a Christian and I certainly didn't "know" that I wasn't actually talking to God. And I have no reason to think Chad (or other Christians) are as you say either.
Quote:I was once a christian myself and I was very heavily immersed in the bullshit of those that surrounded me.
You give them too much slack, They will claim to believe it 'til the cows come home, but very few actually erase the lower conscious doubts. I came to know this as a generalized statement because I have spoken and argued with a rather large number of christians, many of whom are now atheists.
So in other words you are generalizing about billions of people things you don't actually know in regards to them because of your interpretation of your personal experience with a few Christians? How unskeptical of you.
Further, doubts are not lies. You need to learn what words mean before slandering others.
Quote:Chad's lies are intentional attempts to deceive others into believing his story. You and he can call me a liar and an asshole and I can call you two liars and assholes. The accusation only stings when it sticks to an underlying truth. So if he doesn't have any low level doubts, me calling him a liar will not have the least effect on him.
Oh man, this is rich. You call him (and all other Christians) liars with ZERO evidence (again, demonstrate Chad intends/has intended to deceive), repeat that he's a liar, and then effectively said "I know you are but what am I?" You embarrass the rest of us when you make such shit "arguments".
Quote:Contesting that the god of "his" beliefs exists is a refusal to face reality, because in reality no evidence of his god exists, and a great deal of evidence contrary to his bible's claims do exist.
Perhaps you should look up what the word evidence means:
Websters Wrote:"The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."
In other words, the existence of God does have evidence for it, but whether or not that evidence is good evidence is another story.
Further, saying that because the parts of the Bible are apparently in question does not logically lead to "therefore God does not exist".
Quote:No, personal unsubstantiated claims of god/ghost contacts don't count as evidence because the assumed anti-theistic position is that they are delusional. Duh!
So in other words, you assume they are delusions, but since it's an assumption, you prima facie have no evidence of it. Congrats.
Quote:Why are you so argumentative on such fine points?
If a man were to come up to you and try to convince you that he had just returned from his home on the planet Jupiter and he wanted to sell you a timeshare there, once you see that he doesn't have other signs of a mental problem, at what point do you, MMM, call him a liar and a con?
I'm argumentative because if you're going to critique something, it's best to do so accurately and not do this ridiculous mottoes that many in the atheist community just parrot.
And it's relatively easy to invalidate your analogy, from a lack of awareness by, say, the military of some unknown object in the airspace anytime recently, which would get on the news, the lack of any evident spacecraft, or I could just ask to verify the existence of this by having him take me there. And that's ignoring my background knowledge that Jupiter has no solid ground on which to have a property.
