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Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
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Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical. Thinking

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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
Which part of the Universe is not logical! Apart from most human thought!
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(June 22, 2010 at 9:17 am)ib.me.ub Wrote: Which part of the Universe is not logical! Apart from most human thought!

he's asking if it's possible to use logic in a illogical universe i don't think he meant this universe
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
see http://atheistforums.org/thread-3842.html
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Eleveetainium, canudgnar foom.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
Quote:I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical.


Of course it is,so long as you don't fall into the trap of believing logical= true. [necessarily]
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
(June 24, 2010 at 6:35 am)padraic Wrote:
Quote:I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical.


Of course it is,so long as you don't fall into the trap of believing logical= true. [necessarily]

Any discussion about the value of logic presupposes the validity of logic, so we can't escape logic, even if we try.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
(June 22, 2010 at 10:09 am)Ashendant Wrote: he's asking if it's possible to use logic in a illogical universe i don't think he meant this universe
Depends on how much of illogical reasoning you need to label a universe illogical.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
(June 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm)The Omnissiunt One Wrote:
(June 24, 2010 at 6:35 am)padraic Wrote:
Quote:I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical.


Of course it is,so long as you don't fall into the trap of believing logical= true. [necessarily]

Any discussion about the value of logic presupposes the validity of logic, so we can't escape logic, even if we try.

Of course,but logically valid does not necessarily mean true.

In formal logic, the proposition is always deemed true for the sake argument. IE IF A , then------

The inference from an argument may be logically valid but untue.

The neo Platonists argued truth may be inferred by reason alone. It became and remains the basis of theist apologetics. I reject that approach ,demanding evidence to support a logical inference.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
(June 24, 2010 at 11:20 pm)padraic Wrote:
(June 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm)The Omnissiunt One Wrote:
(June 24, 2010 at 6:35 am)padraic Wrote:
Quote:I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical.


Of course it is,so long as you don't fall into the trap of believing logical= true. [necessarily]

Any discussion about the value of logic presupposes the validity of logic, so we can't escape logic, even if we try.

Of course,but logically valid does not necessarily mean true.

In formal logic, the proposition is always deemed true for the sake argument. IE IF A , then------

The inference from an argument may be logically valid but untue.

The neo Platonists argued truth may be inferred by reason alone. It became and remains the basis of theist apologetics. I reject that approach ,demanding evidence to support a logical inference.

who said different?

edit: well besides Ashendant implicitly...
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