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Richard Dawkin's big blunder
RE: Richard Dawkin's big blunder
(March 16, 2014 at 10:44 am)Heywood Wrote:
(March 16, 2014 at 10:32 am)Faith No More Wrote: And do you think that it requires a sentient being to keep those rivers flowing?

Evolution is different from a river. You can replicate a river by the simple act of dumping a whole lot of water on the ground and the river will form its own banks.

If you try to replicate evolution you need to construct those banks before hand.

Time, lots and lots of time, constructed it. There was no contractor hired to do the heavy lifting.

And besides, I actually think that's wrong. Evolution and 'the banks' are not inseparable. They're part of the same equation. Mass extinction has occurred many times on this planet in its very short history thanks to very slight changes in the environment in which species are evolving. If evolution was guided, I could only draw the conclusion that the designer was incompetent to the extreme if it had to wipe out its project many times before it got to the current lot of organisms.

EDIT: Sorry, I see you say that a creator would have started at abiogenesis, which renders all conversations about evolution beyond that moot.

So really the only question is, what's the evidence for such an assertion?

(March 16, 2014 at 1:08 am)Esquilax Wrote: By positing a god in this, you're saying that these "targets" are being aimed for from the outset, but in reality they are simply the result of an organism evolving to fill an ecological niche, like how water filling a naturally eroded basin will take its shape. The fact that two natural processes happen together and result in a similar shape two times does not mean that there was some designing force pushing them into it.

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