Richard Dawkin's big blunder

[Alex K]

Are all evolutionary systems the product of an intellect? Is that a valid question or not? Obviously it is a valid question so how do you go about answering it? You start looking at evolutionary systems. Perhaps you can give an example of an evolutionary system whose origins are known but is not the product of an intellect.

It is barely a valid question because you would have to prove a negative of existence, and because it is somewhat iffy how you go about showing that something must be the product of an intellect. That's what the ID crowd is trying to do all the time, failing miserably, and famously. They invented irreducible complexity, which is not a bad start, but they haven't found anything that satisfies it. In any case, you would have to change your question a bit to make it tenable.

I don't quite understand your demand though. What do you mean by "whose origins are known"? You are in danger of stacking your deck here, because of course if you make this requirement strong enough, you automatically exclude all systems which are not man-made. As I was saying in my last post, this is not a sign that your argument is right, but rather signifies that you are begging the question.
I'd say all of Life, with certain qualifiers (*), is an example of such a system, and people have spent an entire thread trying to get you to understand why we have evidence that this is an evolutionary system without the need of an intellect. Enough has been said already, all I can do is repeat Esquilaxes last zillion posts, but to what end?

(*) There is a not so well-defined line between what is evolution based on an intellect, and what is not, since evolution can produce intellect. Strictly speaking, animal breeding is also on its foundation not evolution based on an intellect, because the human intellect has as origin a mindless process. If we make a hard cut, excluding anything in which humans have interfered, we still have the problem of other intelligent animals shaping the world around them, influencing the evolution of other species. It is a bit arbitrary at which point you declare this to be the product of an intellect, and little is to be learned from this distinction.