RE: Richard Dawkin's big blunder
March 22, 2014 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: March 22, 2014 at 3:29 pm by Heywood.)
(March 22, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: What in God's unholy name are you talking about? Everything besides the creations of mankind are the examples you seek. Evolution by way of natural selection (hint: no intellect involved) has been observed. It is observed everyday. Creationists commonly refer to it as "micro-evolution" ...which is how speciation (macro-evolution) gets accomplished.
With a statement as strong as that I would think you would be able to prove that the evolutionary system which produced us was not created by an intellect. I don't think you can...nobody can. You believe God doesn't exists so ergo the evolutionary system could not have been created by Him. You're letting your atheism cloud your thinking.
Instead approach the question from a position of indifference as I have done in this thread and work from there.
(March 22, 2014 at 2:58 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Which ones have you observed that require the involvement of an intellect? Scientific study has observed none, no matter how many times you repeat "intelligent design."
I've given one example in this thread. You will have to re-read the thread though to find it as I am not going to repeat myself. I'll give you a hint...it was in a post in which got 0 responses...crickets all the way down.
(March 22, 2014 at 7:23 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't quite understand your demand though. What do you mean by "whose origins are known"? You are in danger of stacking your deck here, because of course if you make this requirement strong enough, you automatically exclude all systems which are not man-made. As I was saying in my last post, this is not a sign that your argument is right, but rather signifies that you are begging the question.-Bolded by me.
I have acknowledge in this thread that this indeed is a valid concern. How does an intellect replicate natural evolution without being involved in the inception of the demonstration? Well you can't.
Because of this logical barrier I have to be a charitable in my interpretations of such demonstrations. The involvement of an intellect needs to be substantive before I would cry foul. An example of substantive involvement would be the design of a fitness function. However putting a bunch of atoms in a jar and poof...some evolution happens would not be substantive involvement of an intellect.
