RE: Richard Dawkin's big blunder
March 24, 2014 at 11:03 pm
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2014 at 11:05 pm by Mudhammam.)
(March 24, 2014 at 10:27 pm)Heywood Wrote: Its a mechanistic process that appears not to be able to come into existence without substantive involvement of an intellect.This is pure conjecture. Can you provide an example of biological evolution coming into existence as a result of some intellect? You might be able to point to examples in which man has produced some mechanism analogous to evolution by natural selection, or has manipulated the principles of heredity to artificially breed, but this doesn't serve your argument. It does not demonstrate that intellect is a prerequisite for bringing into existence evolution any more than simulating a tornado is evidence that intelligent forces are responsible for wind patterns.
Quote:Again I challenge....replicate natural evolution without substantive involvement of an intellect. Can't do it?That's a self-contradictory demand. How could a person artificially manufacture "natural evolution" (it would cease to be natural then) if there is no involvement of a person (intellect)?
Quote: How about show me evolutionary systems coming into existence without the involvement of an intellect? Can you do that at least?We don't know exactly how the original self-replicators evolved from simple molecules but the fundamental mysteriousness of it has been solved without appeals to an intelligent designer. It is only the details that have yet to be sketched out.
Quote:Every natural phenomena we observe today, we can observe an example of that phenomena coming into existence without an intellect.Including evolution.
Quote: Want to observe a tornado come into existence without an intellect, park your ass in Kansas for a bit. Where on earth do you go to observe an evolutionary system come into existence?....An evolutionary system as in life itself? Well, that's a different topic altogether and mankind is still a bit ways off on an exact theory. But a tremendous amount of progress has been made and the mysteriousness of it no longer haunts us. Like I said, we have many plausible outlines in biochemistry, it's just the details that need to be filled in.
Quote:You have to go to where intellects are making them because they just don't come into existence on their own.An unjustified assertion. If life is indeed rare, and moreover if it evolves from inanimate matter over millions of years, how would you expect to observe that "naturally"? The best we can do are artificial simulations, in which case some amino acids and other micromolecules have been shown to arise under certain environmental conditions (set up by us, or intellects, of course, but then again, your demand doesn't make sense otherwise) .
Quote:Now you would have me believe this one system did come into existence without substantive involvement of an intellect? Why should I believe that?Because there's no evidence of super beings?