(March 31, 2014 at 5:28 am)Rayaan Wrote: Although God is not comprehensible to us in a physicalistic/empirical sense, the most familiar and yet mysterious quality that everyone ascribes to Him (assuming that He exists) when they use the word "God" is that He possesses consciousness, that He has a mind. If He didn't have that then we wouldn't be calling Him "God." So, in our minds the idea of God and consciousness are inextricably connected.
I think it means, more pertinently, that it's hard to imagine a being that does things that doesn't possess the attributes we ascribe to consciousness. It's not a matter of the two being connected, it's a matter of consciousness naturally following on from the way gods are described; of course god would have to be conscious, because unconscious things don't imagine and act.
Quote:And the consciousness that we ascribe to God comes from our own experience of consciousness, which itself is a wholly subjective state. This means that, epistemically speaking, the unexplainability of God is not something separate or additional from the unexplainability of consciousness as people are thinking here. The mystery of God is caused by the mystery of consciousness and vice versa; they are just different perspectives.
We might not know everything about consciousness, but we do know some things. We know what chemicals can influence it and why, we know that, in every example of it that we currently have, it's tied to a physical brain that reacts along with it. We can test consciousness everywhere else, so it's kind of a flawed comparison.
Moreover, you're kind of jumping the gun given that consciousness without a brain seems like something worthy of explanation to begin with. How does that work, given what we can scientifically know about how minds work?
Quote:And how much of an explanatory power that God has doesn't just have to mean "scientifically explanatory," in case you were expecting it to be that way. Science itself is a construct of our own minds, yet science cannot explain minds because the mind is more fundamental.
How did you decide there is no scientific explanation for our minds?
Quote:The means of explaining things - whether it is through science, mathematics, religion, philosophy, or whatever - are all inherently subjective howsoever empirical or objective they might seem. The subjectiveness, the fundamental inwardness in ourselves is the only route we can take. Knowledge starts there and it ends there.
No, knowledge starts and ends with objectively demonstrable things. I think you mean that beliefs start in the subjective mind, not knowledge. Knowledge pertains to things that actually exist; you can't just think something into existence.
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