Atheist arguments and the morality of God.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Fair points Jacob but in reality - would any argument, however sound, actually work?

I tend to approach the morality argument from a different position showing that morality existed massively prior to the origin of any of today's religions, and then prior to the birth of any religion at all.

I then show how morality appears to be a logical development of the biological control methods through evolution, starting with pheromones, through instinct and on to morality. That all we actually need to develop morality is an innate sense of empathy, reciprocation and fairness.

If they're still standing I give examples of moral behaviour in other creatures and then extend that on to inter-species morality.

I regard it as pretty much an unassailable argument - but it still doesn't work.

Converts to date from this = 0.

And that's kind of the point isn't it. If an argument never seems to work, then regardless of its truth or internal consistency, it's not a very good argument!

I say that gravity holds us to the earth and someone else tells me they aren't convinced that this is true because they believe that giant space rabbits psychically push us to the ground, their objection doesn't mean my claim is somehow flawed. It means their presuppositions are something they haven't yet established as a valid contention to the claim.

Ok, so it's a flawless argument which doesn't work because the people it's being applied to do not, by definition, have the framework necessary to make it work. Does that not amount to the same thing?

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Fair points Jacob but in reality - would any argument, however sound, actually work?

No, hence the reason some of them are able to reject evolution, cosmology, geology, physics etc etc to believe in a young earth and a literal bible. It's not that the arguments are flawed, it's simply because they wont listen to reason.

Exactly what theists tend to think about atheists.

And yes, some arguments do work. Else there would be no theist to atheist conversions.