(April 5, 2014 at 7:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 4, 2014 at 9:05 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: So, what was the first cause? God?
What caused God? God is eternal/timeless?
How do you know? How do you know the universe isn't timeless?
In order for your first cause argument to work, you need to make three assumptions:
1) God exists, despite being nonfalsifiable.
2) God has the ability to create universes.
3) God is timeless/eternal.
If I don't grant you those three assumptions, then you haven't proven God. Let me show you another way:
We'll assume there is a special particle called fleems. Fleems are undetectable, they can create universes, and they're eternal. Therefore, given that everything that exists has a cause and the universe exists, I have successfully proven fleems. Why don't you believe in fleems, Spidey?
All you're proposing is another word for God here.
No, because in the theists mind, with the name god come so many more properties which piggyback their way in on this argument unnoticed. This alternative exposes hiw unjustified those are by doing away with the loaded name God and showing that it still works. Fleems neither have to be sentient, good, allknowing, omnipotent, bearded, there neednt be an afterlife, they don't want anything from us etc.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
