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(April 9, 2014 at 5:55 am)tor Wrote: Hit a metaphysical idealist with baseball bat and he will feel why his view are not correct.
Nope. He will learn why he should avoid getting hit by baseball bats. What he won't learn is whether he's getting hit by the bat in a physical monist universe, in an idealistic reality, in a dream, a BIJ or in the Matrix.
(April 9, 2014 at 11:30 am)Chas Wrote: You are making a woo of the gaps argument.
+1 for "woo of the gaps." Funny.
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You are assuming that because we don't yet have a scientific explanation for consciousness that we can't have one.
I'm assuming nothing of the sort. In fact, I've specifically talked about the relationship between science and idealism.
The only neg I've made about science is that we have no evidence that it is capable of dealing with some types of questions: specifically cosmogony and the experience of qualia. There's no woo about that-- it's just a statement of fact.
Quote:So you are just making up some shit without providing any way to observe or test it.
It's precisely because experiences don't have to be made up that they should be the core of a sensible model of reality. Everything you say about science you know only through experiences and ideas.
But it does not follow that reality is somehow made of ideas or experience.
Ideas and experience occur in our minds - they are results not causes.
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Quote:There is no evidence for the woo you are spouting. Show us some evidence.
Mind. The "what things are like" of qualia.
You are still asserting that science can't ever explain 'qualia'. You have no evidence of that.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.