RE: Contra Metaphysical Idealism
April 9, 2014 at 12:30 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2014 at 12:31 pm by archangle.)
(April 9, 2014 at 11:57 am)bennyboy Wrote:(April 9, 2014 at 5:55 am)tor Wrote: Hit a metaphysical idealist with baseball bat and he will feel why his view are not correct.Nope. He will learn why he should avoid getting hit by baseball bats-- it results in a very unpleasant experience. What he won't learn is whether he's getting hit by the bat in a physical monist universe, in an idealistic reality, in a dream, a BIJ or in the Matrix.
(April 9, 2014 at 11:30 am)Chas Wrote: You are making a woo of the gaps argument.+1 for "woo of the gaps." Funny.
Quote:I'm assuming nothing of the sort. In fact, I've specifically talked about the relationship between science and idealism: science requires only that there are enough commonalities in experience to start making and testing rules. It says nothing provable about the underlying nature of those experiences.
You are assuming that because we don't yet have a scientific explanation for consciousness that we can't have one.
The only neg I've made about science is that we have no evidence that it is capable of dealing with some types of questions: specifically cosmogony and the experience of qualia. There's no woo about that-- it's just a statement of fact.
Quote:So you are just making up some shit without providing any way to observe or test it.It's precisely because experiences don't have to be made up that they should be the core of a sensible model of reality. Everything you say and believe about science you know only through experiences and ideas. There was never any scientific observation or inference that was made outside the existence of a functioning mind.
Quote:There is no evidence for the woo you are spouting. Show us some evidence.Mind. The "what things are like" of qualia.
we are in the philosophy section. So these made up idea's are ok in here.
I ok with this philosophy as long we are honest about it.
We practice writing and describing idea's that are not real in a rational way to make them seem real. This describing idea's that, may/or may not be real help, us to organize ourselves.
Also, philosophy can ask "what if?". And that is a great place to start new idea's.
of course, some take it to misty places and end up all wet.