(April 15, 2014 at 11:32 am)Huggy74 Wrote: As for the question as to "why didn't God create heaven on earth?" which is the gist of your question. He did, remember the garden of Eden? God placed Adam and Eve in the garden, and gave them the best protection that he could give them which was his word (which Jesus proved by resisting the temptation of the devil by replying with "it is written"). When the serpent came to tempt Eve she started off well by quoting the instructions that God gave them, but began to reason with the word of God and ultimately began to doubt it.
So, you're saying that "heaven" is akin to the garden of eden? Therefore, we are capable of sin in heaven and we're capable of being kicked out? It seems like on a long enough time line, no one would be left. Where do they go?
(April 15, 2014 at 11:32 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I mentioned earlier, that what happened in the garden of Eden had nothing to do with fruit. What I'm about to say is controversial and most Christians aren't taught this, but the original sin in Eden was sexual. In other words, Eve had sexual intercourse with the serpent (who was not a snake). Which is why Cain is not recorded in the genealogy of Adam, because he was not Adams son.
Genesis 5 (KJV)
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
The genealogy traces the lineage of the first born son. Abel (who was Adams son) was killed having no children making Seth next in line, there is no mention of Cain.
Sin did not exist in the beginning because it was not in mans nature. For example, what makes a lamb and a wolf different? their nature. A lamb has no desire to be a wolf and neither does a "son of God" have any desire or capacity to sin (disbelieve).
But what happened in Eden was the Serpent (as I said before was not a snake, God changed him into a snake after what he had done. "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:" Genesis 3:14), who was "human like" had sexual relations with Eve which resulted in Cain (the first murderer) showing that the nature of the wolf entered into the lambs nature through sex which Cain proved by his actions. Sex was never in the plan of God from the beginning, but is now only allowed through the institution of marriage in order to procreate. Now you see why homosexuality is a problem.
This brings up the question of how was man supposed to reproduce? Mankind (plural), which means all of us, was created "in the image of God" (spirit form) in the first chapter of Genesis, Adam (the first man to have a body) was not created till the second chapter.
And Adam as the Bible states was a "son of god", he had the authority to create people (form their bodies) out of the dust just like God did, but lost that power when he fell. which is why Jesus (born of a virgin) who is also referred to as the "second Adam" upon his return will call his people up from the dust as it was supposed to be done in the beginning.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 (KJV)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
I'll give you points for that being interesting, but I don't see that anywhere in all of the quotes you've provided. It seems beyond speculative.
(April 15, 2014 at 11:32 am)Huggy74 Wrote:(April 12, 2014 at 11:57 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: So basically, God wants us to suffer for undisclosed reasons, despite the fact that you've twice admitted he can realize a paradigm where we don't suffer. Your argument is basically "it doesn't make any sense, but I believe it, anyway."
Based on your reasoning, we only suffer because God wants us to suffer. There is no external reason for it; he just wants us to suffer.
We suffer because we are in a fallen state. As I said before, Eden was heaven on earth, then sin (unbelief) entered, which is the reason for our suffering. Christ came to redeem the earth with his blood and restore everything back to what it was in the beginning.
So, are you saying that God is incapable of making a plane of existence where people can be happy and not disbelieve it (and sin)? If not, why doesn't he create such a place?
