(April 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:(April 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: One problem, Jesus is God.
God desired children the same way we as humans desire children, and as a father also desires our love and respect as any parent would.
Exodus 20 (KJV)
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
God desired children the way we humans desire children? So God the great and powerful is a slave to human emotions and desires?
Also quoting biblical verses doesn't do anything to support an argument, when you have passages like this in turn...
(From Psalm 137)
"O daughter of Babylon, you devastated one, How blessed will be the one who repays you With the recompense with which you have repaid us. How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock."
How does that saying by a far wiser man than any who wrote the bible go? Oh, right...
Confucius say; an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Funny how the ever-loving parent neglected to tell his children that infinitely-greater wisdom and instead told them that it's OK to take someone's eye if they take your eye, and their tooth if you take their tooth, given that, as Confucius so simply pointed out, if you take my eye for me taking your eye I am then entitled to take your other eye and then you can take my other eye and since neither of us have eyes now then we're blind.
Revenge begets revenge begets revenge and so on. What parent with the wisdom born of an existence of eternity and knowledge of everything would tell their children to take revenge "only to the amount to the crime you have suffered?" Revenge solves everything? Since when?? This is the same god that can destroy entire cities with his finger (Sodom, Gomorrah) but he lets the Psalmist's people get tortured and butchered without intervening, letting innocent blood be spilled, the blood of his supposedly chosen people, and then he lets those same people do the same thing that was done to them by letting them butcher the captors, and the captors' families, and people who happen to be living in the same city as the captors, who had nothing to do with the tortures?
Like I said. Don't quote bible verses. The bible is NOT a place you wanna go to to give validity to your opinions, especially if you're trying to put "love" and "respect" as attributes your god desires; there's a LOT in there that shows why he would deserve neither, and believe me when I say that I know of such passages quite intimately.
An eye for an eye? there is a word for that, it is called "Justice". I can quote the Bible because I know what I'm talking about. You can pretty much sum the bible up like this. Old Testament = Law, New Testament = Grace.
Law demands Justice hence the "eye for an eye" but Christ (God in human flesh) came so that we no longer live under the "Law" but under "Grace"(Love)
Luke 6
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful
