(April 15, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(April 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: The point of my OP is that any imagining of heaven that involves no sin completely invalidates problem-of-evil apologetics. You have not been addressing that or refuting it.
I have addressed it. If sin is unbelief then how can you disbelieve God if your in heaven? You cannot enter heaven with sin, you must first be cleansed of sin through Christ, receive his spirit then it is impossible for you to sin, and this is in regard to right now on earth, heaven has nothing to do with it.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(April 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: The part where the Bible literally says that "a serpent tempted Eve to eat some fruit" actually means "the serpent who wasn't a serpent had sex with Eve... and talked about fruit and knowledge, or something".
I'm really not seeing that jump anywhere in the stuff you quoted.
If the serpent was a snake, would it make sense for God to curse him to crawl on his belly?
If Cain was Adams son, why isn't he recorded in his genealogy?
1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
the word "knowledge" in the Bible also has a sexual meaning. e.g carnal knowledge.
Genesis 4:25
And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son
If sex wasn't the cause, why was it important that Jesus be born of a virgin?
(April 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: That's the whole stated point of this thread. Either:Again, this was addressed. there was no suffering in Eden, death didn't exist. Suffering came through sin and the hybridization of the human race through the serpent. Observe nature, Hybreeding always brings death, which is why hybrids typically end up sterile. Also Lucifer wasn't the only one that rebelled, A third of the angels rebelled with him. In other words sin started in heaven.That's it. There's no magical third option; just people picking the second option and coming up with unstated reasons for why God has to allow suffering, but he doesn't have to, but he chooses to, because he loves us.
- God cannot create a realm without suffering (ergo, heaven doesn't exist as commonly described), or
- God created suffering because he wanted suffering.
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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