Heaven and The Problem of Evil

[Huggy Bear]

I clearly stated that it wasn't a tree, the original sin was sexual. That is what opened their eyes to realize they were naked. The Bible doesn't get explicit so it uses "tree" as symbology. The fruit of a tree are the reproductive organs, make sense?

I also stated that the serpent was not a snake. Otherwise it would make no sense for God to curse the serpent to crawl on his belly if he is already crawling on his belly.

Genesis 3
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

According to your religious views tagline by your username, you don't believe in religion. Why are you using Bible passages to defend your statements? I don't honestly care what you believe, that's your choice... but not sure why you state you don't believe in religion, when your defense to others is very much a Christian one.

Sorry, that just caught my eye. lol

I will say I believe people can be 'spiritual,' or believe in a deity, without following any particular religion, per se. I guess when I read your tagline initially, I thought you were a deist, until I started seeing the smattering of Bible passages all over the thread, here.

Good question.
When I say I don't believe in religion I mean religious organization. You can be a Christian and not be religious , likewise you can be atheist and be religious (I already proved that in another thread)

I use the Bible because that is the foundation of what I believe,(kind of like how a dictionary would be the standard to define a word) and also to show that I'm not making anything up.

I try to keep the Bible quoting limited to the "theistic" threads.

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Seriously man, how many times do I have to answer that question.

I'm looking for a simple yes or no. You keep going on about Satan causing sin and all that other stuff. I'm not asking if Satan is capable of causing sin. I'm not asking if sin leads to suffering and death. I'm not asking if Eden was actually heaven or was just like heaven. I just want a yes or no answer to the question because I seriously could not glean that from your response.

Is almighty God capable of creating a realm that has no sin and suffering now and will not ever have it in the future? Can he do that? Yes/no.

Like I said I've answered your question, but since you don't seem capable of going back a page and looking I'll just post it here.

Yes: So, God is capable of making a perfect realm where we don't sin, and we won't sin down the line. This is what most people consider heaven. If God can make that place, why didn't he make it in the first place? Once we get to that point in time (where there will be no sin in the future), then all discussions of sin and sin-caused suffering are useless and moot. If that realm can exist, then we could be in it now, but we aren't because God wants suffering.

No: So, there will always be sin sometime down the road, which means heaven is not permanent and you believe in a heaven vastly different than most Christians.


So Huggy, which is it? Yes or no? Can almighty God create a realm that has no sin and won't have sin in the future?

How did I not make myself clear? if an yes or no answer is what you want, the answer to "Can almighty God create a realm that has no sin and won't have sin in the future?" is yes. God wanting suffering would only be true if he made Eve sin.