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The theist evolution argument
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RE: The theist evolution argument
(May 2, 2014 at 9:36 am)Jason_ab Wrote: Hallo again.
As I said in one previous post, @ youtube.com/watch?v=e8MzPmkNsgU where William Lane Craig debates Christopher Hitchens about the existence of God, an argument from Craig caught my attention.
He said (long story short) that the probabillity of evolution through natural selection happening in such a way that it did, is so tiny, that it indicates the existence of a God that superintended the process.
That the odds of creation of man through this proccess are so slim, that is a strong indicator that God was involved...
Can I read your opinions about this?
I have to admit, at first it sounds quite legit to me...

At least as legit as a lottery winner calculating that they couldn't have won the lottery because the odds are 127 million to one.

(May 2, 2014 at 9:47 am)Jason_ab Wrote: No, he doesn't, he quotes two guys Barem and Tippler.
I think I could agree that the odds of evolution to human from natural selection were extraodinary slim. Don't misinderstand what I am saying, OF COURSE the evolution theory is valid, the argument is whether it was possible without devine superintention.
It is a quite big video, the specific argument is articulated at 56:27 from Craig.
The interesting fact is that he got no answer from Hitchens.

If it wasn't possible without divine intervention, it wouldn't be possible to calculate the odds against it. Odds don't apply to things that can't happen by chance.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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The theist evolution argument - by Jason_ab - May 2, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Tonus - May 2, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by max-greece - May 2, 2014 at 9:45 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Jason_ab - May 2, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Zen Badger - May 2, 2014 at 9:54 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Whateverist - May 3, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Esquilax - May 2, 2014 at 9:49 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Jason_ab - May 2, 2014 at 9:50 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Chas - May 3, 2014 at 11:31 pm
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Jason_ab - May 2, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Paraselene - May 2, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Whateverist - May 2, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by ThePinsir - May 2, 2014 at 10:26 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by JesusHChrist - May 2, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Confused Ape - May 2, 2014 at 10:44 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Ben Davis - May 2, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Bad Wolf - May 2, 2014 at 11:33 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Mister Agenda - May 2, 2014 at 11:36 am
The theist evolution argument - by Rampant.A.I. - May 2, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Jason_ab - May 2, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Bad Wolf - May 2, 2014 at 3:53 pm
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Jason_ab - May 3, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by bennyboy - May 2, 2014 at 9:55 pm
The theist evolution argument - by Rampant.A.I. - May 3, 2014 at 1:21 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by max-greece - May 3, 2014 at 2:21 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Zen Badger - May 3, 2014 at 2:33 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by bennyboy - May 3, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Zidneya - May 3, 2014 at 2:54 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by KichigaiNeko - May 3, 2014 at 3:12 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Zidneya - May 3, 2014 at 4:23 am
RE: The theist evolution argument - by Minimalist - May 3, 2014 at 11:39 pm
RE: The theist evolution argument - by max-greece - May 5, 2014 at 1:37 pm

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