(May 13, 2014 at 1:14 am)bennyboy Wrote:(May 13, 2014 at 12:06 am)max-greece Wrote: How would you distinguish between truly random and merely very complex?This is becoming a question about complex determinism vs. true randomness, which is appropriate because it draws in arguments about free will, about whether the universe is "ordered" or not, etc. It's always surprising when we accidentally stay on topic.
Is there any such thing as actual randomness, by which I mean something that cannot possibly, even hypothetically, be traced backward in a linear way or predicted? Maybe with QM, but I'm not sure how you could prove there's no hidden variable or unseen mechanism that causes a "probabilistic" function to collapse at a particular point when you attempt to take a measurement.
Basically agree but with the caveat that the appearance of particles and sub-particles from nothing should, in theory, be random in respect to the universe. In other words there cannot ,theoretically be a predictive model that would be able to specify the when and where for such appearances.
As you say - QM.
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