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“Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!
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RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!
(May 13, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Harris Wrote:
(May 10, 2014 at 6:23 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: TL : DR, but fixed your quote mine.

The phrase “Well, it could come about … And I suppose it’s possible that you might find evidence for that,” is an utter guesstimate. It is just an epigram, which has no scientific value.
The phrase in bold, “if you look at the details of our chemistry … elsewhere in the universe,” is a scientific fact based on knowledge that comes through scientific discoveries.
The phrase “But that higher intelligence … it couldn’t have just jumped into existence spontaneously,” is begging the question who created God?

A scientist who is atheist, talks about Deity without using the word GOD this way. Scientific facts force every scientist to ponder over the marvels in nature. Whether to expose those thoughts with sincerity or disguise them behind unjust reasoning is the choice of that scientist.

Unjust reasoning? What is that? There is no ambiguity, dissembling, or dishonesty in what you quoted.

Quote:The development of the genetic science at the beginning of 20th century proved that only genes transmit to subsequent generations and not acquired physical traits. The discovery made it clear that it is implausible that acquired traits accumulated from generation to generation and generated different living species. In other words, in Darwin’s proposed mechanism of natural selection, there is no room for inheritable variations.

That is one of the more ignorant assertions I've seen here. Every offspring of sexual reproduction is different from either parent. There is gene mixing. And, of course, there are mutations. Every one of us has dozens of mutations in our DNA.

Quote:All the efforts made by evolutionists of 20th century only confirmed that natural selection has no evolutionary power. At this failure, evolutionists endeavoured a rescue challenge by making an introduction of phenomenon called mutation to the fundamental structure of this theory. However, the problem with mutation is that no beneficial results has yet been observed either in nature or in laboratories.

Your ignorance is epic. Do you even Google?

Quote:Mutation do not generate new genetic information. It is impossible for living beings to acquire new organs through mutation. To support this idea of evolutionary mutation, evolutionists should come up with a mechanism that generates new never-before-existing information that can produce bigger and better structure which supposedly never existed before. This mechanism should work on a single cell that gives rise to all the diversity of life through a process of genetic mutation or an evolutionary process.
Any evolutionist (including Dawkins), cannot give a single example of any process in nature that increases genetic information by mutation.

More ignorant babble. A change to the DNA is information.

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(May 10, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Chas Wrote: "We know information comes only from intelligent source. When we see coded information in a DNA, the most logical thing to conclude, that too, has an intelligent source."


No, we don't know that. You do not know what information is and you misquote others to support your nonsense.

Dr. Werner Gritt, who is an information specialist wrote in his book, “In The Beginning Was Information,”

“A code system is always a result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor). It should be emphasised that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, to produce a code. There is no known law of nature, no known process, and no known sequence of events which can cause information by itself in matter.”
Pages (64, 67, 79, and 107)

It's Werner Gitt, and he is a YEC git. He is not credible.

Gitt is over-interpreting the word 'code' there - or you have taken the quote out of context.

You do not understand the nature of information.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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Messages In This Thread
“Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - May 10, 2014 at 5:50 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Chas - May 13, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Losty - May 10, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by JuliaL - May 10, 2014 at 11:29 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Chas - May 11, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Chas - May 12, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Chas - May 10, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Cato - May 30, 2014 at 4:12 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - June 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Losty - May 11, 2014 at 4:30 am
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Cato - May 30, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - June 17, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - July 7, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Cyberman - June 18, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Cyberman - June 18, 2014 at 10:53 am
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - July 7, 2014 at 12:35 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Esquilax - June 26, 2014 at 12:08 am
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - July 26, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Esquilax - July 26, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Chas - August 5, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - July 26, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Esquilax - July 26, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Dystopia - July 26, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Harris - July 26, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: “Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS! - by Cyberman - August 5, 2014 at 3:48 pm

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